How to bring up a boy to kill

[Gurm]

As this is a totally false accusation and is not even relevant to the thread, I have no intention of letting you be judge, jury and executioner for my moral convictions.

All I say is that you haven't a clue.

And all I say is that you have yet to come to appreciate the depth of my ability to overstate a situation for my own ends. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Err... heh.

[Umfriend]

No need to get that agrevated. You introduced the Sikh&Kirpan into this thread as some sort of analogy that would make Brian see the right and wrong of his views. As you introduced this "analogy", it's up to you to show how it is relevant to the trhead. I, for one, am not yet convinced.

First, Brian never used the qualificaiton of "barbaric", it's your invention here and yes, you do tend to use hyperbole. Second, you have supplied a link where it mentions that some Sikhs choose to practice a martial art that involves a knife. I have not seen any reference to the actual training of children in using Gitka in general and the Kirpan in particular to kill, nor any such training causing prolonged suffering of a living creature before it finally is killed. Most martial arts, AFAIK, although they may teach you techniques to kill [more easily than untrained hands] focus on skill, sportmanship and even-handed combat. I doubt (but can not be sure) that Brian would find that bad let alone barbaric. If the debate was about some sort of cultural reason to carry a gun as opposed to train to use it, the analogy might be a bit closer to the mark.

I submit that shooting guns at animals can never be seen as even-handed combat, that taking three hours with a shotgun to kill an animal while better-suited weapons (and probably better shooters) were present at the time was cruel.

[Elie]

I would like to chime in, but why even bother killing a huge monster pig like that?
What is the point? let the animal live for study and research, how many of them live etc.

What are they going to do with it, feed an entire town? Is the meat even worth it at this size?

Cheers,
Elie

[Wulfman]

What are they going to do with it, feed an entire town? Is the meat even worth it at this size?

from experience with wild pigs here: it will definitely taste awful.

mfg
wulfman

[TransformX]

No need to get that agrevated. You introduced the Sikh&Kirpan into this thread as some sort of analogy that would make Brian see the right and wrong of his views. As you introduced this "analogy", it's up to you to show how it is relevant to the trhead. I, for one, am not yet convinced.

First, Brian never used the qualificaiton of "barbaric", it's your invention here and yes, you do tend to use hyperbole. Second, you have supplied a link where it mentions that some Sikhs choose to practice a martial art that involves a knife. I have not seen any reference to the actual training of children in using Gitka in general and the Kirpan in particular to kill, nor any such training causing prolonged suffering of a living creature before it finally is killed. Most martial arts, AFAIK, although they may teach you techniques to kill [more easily than untrained hands] focus on skill, sportmanship and even-handed combat. I doubt (but can not be sure) that Brian would find that bad let alone barbaric. If the debate was about some sort of cultural reason to carry a gun as opposed to train to use it, the analogy might be a bit closer to the mark.

I hardly call the handling of lethal weapons at a tender age a culture; I would even consider it demonstrates a lack of culture.

Unless you don't consider a Kirpan to be lethal, please read previous posts with a little more attention.

[Umfriend]

I'm not sure Brians' "handling" equates or compares particularly well to simply "carrying", mostly under your clothes as done by Sikhs.

[DGhost]

from experience with wild pigs here: it will definitely taste awful.

mfg
wulfman

from the friends I have that do hunt, i know that animals that do bolt are not as good tasting as the ones that are dropped in one shot... hence why they usually carry "high powered rifles" for hunting. while they usually also carry pistols, it's usually for defense while sleeping/camping, dealing with any crazies you find out in the mountains (yes, you do find them from time to time. better to be carried by 6 than tried by 12), or for last prayer defense against a charging animal. note - they don't go hunting with their pistols. it does not make sense. of course, these are people I respect. they do not go hunting just to see who can kill the largest animal. They do not go hunting for trophies. They go hunting for meat.

as far as the guys who killed the boar... i keep rereading that article and the pieces just don't add up. really, there is only one conclusion I can come up with: attention whores.

[Elie]

I agree Dghost, I think you hit the nail dead on, these guys want media attention, nothing more, which is sad really. Killing an animal this is totally uncalled for, if I was that boys father, he would get a spanking from me like no tomorrow!

Wulfman: I used to hunt wild boare myself in the middle east, there is nothing, I mean nothing more tendor and good tasting as the ones there. We don't hunt the over sized old pigs, only the mid sized.

Typically wild boars only eat vegitables grown in farms, so they are extremly healthy and clean, farmers often complain to us that their crops are being destroyed and eaten by these critters, and we come along and tag a one or two for ourselves

Since I've moved back to Canada, I never went on one hunting trip, I miss it, but for some reason, don't have the heart for it anymore, I guess I am all grown up now hehe.

Cheers,
Elie

[schmosef]

Speaking of the ME, in the grand scheme of things, isn't this a much worse form of child abuse?

Why are we wasting time even thinking about this kid when an entire generation in the ME is directly being "brought up to kill"?

[Elie]

Let's not generalize, it's not the entire ME that does this. That is only in Palestien, they lived too long in war and death, that they consider this normal.

I lived in Damascus for 11 years, and not once did I see these kind of plays ever done by kids, so it's not everywhere.

Just an FYI

[Dr Mordrid]

I would like to chime in, but why even bother killing a huge monster pig like that? What is the point? let the animal live for study and research, how many of them live etc.

What are they going to do with it, feed an entire town? Is the meat even worth it at this size?

Cheers,
Elie

Large boar are often criticized as tough and not fit for human consumption but that is flat out WRONG!!

Many restaurants with more stars than you can count consider boar as a high end table fare and the bigger, older boars well over 200 lbs are preferred when they "procure" them. One medallion of that meat costs more than the guns we use to shoot them with.

As with all game meats the key is preparation. The bad taste comes from the hogs blood, so the order of the day is to neutralize it with an acidic bath. The same process tenderizes.

Skin and de-bone or quarter it out then place the meat in a large ice chest with ice water plus 3/4 cup of vinegar and 20 oz of lemon juice. Soak large portions of meat for 2 to 3 days changing the water as needed. Keep the water ice cold and the meat completely covered, soaking it until it turns white.

NOTE: if the meat begins to darken or turn blue then there is too much vinegar. Change the ice water and reduce or eliminate the vinegar.

When finished season and smoke or cook the quarters in a pit.

Yummy

[schmosef]

Let's not generalize, it's not the entire ME that does this. That is only in Palestien, they lived too long in war and death, that they consider this normal.

I lived in Damascus for 11 years, and not once did I see these kind of plays ever done by kids, so it's not everywhere.

Just an FYI

I thought this thread was about generalizing?

Those kinds of plays may not be everywhere in the ME but you can be sure that peaceful co-existence with Israel isn't on the school curriculum either.

All I'm saying is that there are children out there who we really should be worrying about (and doing something to help).

btw, your anecdote about wild boar in the ME fascinates me. I would have thought that between the Jews and the Muslims, all wild boar would have been eliminated.

As I understand it, it is illegal to raise pigs on the land of Israel. Farmer who do keep them raised on plank floors so that they never touch the ground.

[TransformX]

There are wild boars in the Golan heights as well as some other places in that general area. Some people do go out to hunt them on occasion.

[schmosef]

I guess there's still a lot of wild life in the area.

[Umfriend]

Yes Schmo, I would agree that those kids are better to worry about then the hunting boy.