A realy cool cd player deesign

[az]

I didn't want to be dragged into this discussion (whether or not the software industry or the hardware industry or the hi-fi industry are any worse in lying to customers), I just think it helps any discussion when the arguments used are the truth.

[FatBastard]

I just think it helps any discussion when the arguments used are the truth.

People WANT to be lied to. If you tell them "you're special when you buy my product", they'll give you money. They want to feel superior, and there are always people who'll sell them the feeling, be it with overpriced "audiophile" stuff, bling-bling rims, or any other status symbols.

Arguments? Truth ? sounds like cheap, condescending, amature psycho analysis to me.
a slightly more sophisticated, civil way to insult others by using some boy boy vocabulary.

let alone the fact that 90% of my house guests can't tell the difference between my nice speakers, and a 100 Euro HT in a box Chinese set. (They are the same, size, color, finish etc.) some status symbol.

[Technoid]

You know something? who cares if he said it or not, since I have little interest in turning yet another audio thread into an alpha male skirmish, I'll concede to it being an urban myth. what matters is the industry's behavior, and the flock of sheep following it. The absolute worst thing that can happen to the software industry is you being happy with your setup.
That is why they keep coming up with crap (ehhh sorry , upgrades ) nobody needs or wants, and forces you to cough up the cash. which people do (with a certain level of lip service protest).

software companies to consumers:
Yes, We know you are happy with your current OS (win xp SP 2).
Yes, we know you are happy with your graphics card.
Yes, our new game is going to require DX10, no backward computability.
NO, we are not going to release DX10 for Win XP.
NO, there is no technical reason why.
Yes, you are going to need to spend 110 Euro for vista (you can't buy OEM license for an old PC). of course you are more then welcomed to buy a new box altogether. buts it's worth it. you are a wise consumer, not like those stupid HiFi consumers. good luck.

Of course they do it like that, it's not like there has ever been any resistance on any earlier occasions

When even us "computer nerds" cant see through the BS, how will Joe Sixpack?

As the quote from one of our fellow murcers shows

Xp runs faster on new hardware

When MS BS is not enough they invent their own to justify the upgrade circus

[Brian Ellis]

For me, az is spot-on with his observations. FB's arrogant manner grates on me.

[Lizzard[MPE]]

It's amazing an arguement can break out of a thread about a cd design.

havent read all of it, but just observed how long the thread is and read the last few posts.

[Fluff]

I think it took a left turn on page 2. Shake and bake.

[az]

Shake and bake.

What does that mean?

[Technoid]

Sure I dislike Bill Gates cause he's a lying, stealing corporate ****ole, BUT I think we have to put the blame on IBM that designed the IBM PC

He never said that: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

I laid out memory so the bottom 640K was general purpose RAM and the upper 384 I reserved for video and ROM, and things like that. That is why they talk about the 640K limit. It is actually a limit, not of the software, in any way, shape, or form, it is the limit of the microprocessor. That thing generates addresses, 20-bits addresses, that only can address a megabyte of memory. And, therefore, all the applications are tied to that limit. It was ten times what we had before. But to my surprise, we ran out of that address base for applications within—oh five or six years people were complaining.

Heh, seems I was right

[Fluff]

Az, Sorry I had just finished watching Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby with Will Ferrell in it.

Doesen't really mean anything at all.

[az]

No need to excuse for anything I just thought maybe it was a proverb I didn't know.

[Elie]

What gets me the most about false advertizement in the audio business is in the portable audio players (AKA boom boxes) they were popular in the mid 80's and quickly degenerated into hobs of plastic with horrible sound.

The issue here was, and I'm pretty sure you all have seen this many times is the big 100WATTS audio rating and in very small letters top corner..PMPO hehe

People tend to ignore the PMPO label which actually mean Peak Music Power Output and look purely at the Wattage, when you listen to it, it sounds like crap with the volume half way.

I opened one of those boomboxes a long time ago to look at the speakers it came with, and they were 10 watts at best, so if there is false advertisement, there it is!

[Mehen]

FB, there are some on this forum that will never budge from their position (on both sides... I'm one of them too). The hifi topic is too hot, I've learned to leave it be when the threads start getting too heated. There are simply too many of us set in our ways.

I would not like anyone to concede their position, but sometimes I think it would be better if some of us wrote "that looks f&^@ing cool!" instead of ripping things apart bit by bit on technicalities when someone posts something like this

[Technoid]

FB, there are some on this forum that will never budge from their position (on both sides... I'm one of them too). The hifi topic is too hot, I've learned to leave it be when the threads start getting too heated. There are simply too many of us set in our ways.

I would not like anyone to concede their position, but sometimes I think it would be better if some of us wrote "that looks f&^@ing cool!" instead of ripping things apart bit by bit on technicalities when someone posts something like this

I'll bite, But I have to say that is one Fugly piece of equipment

[Claymonkey]

I'll bite, But I have to say that is one Fugly piece of equipment

It does look like it came from a Star Trek set.... which honestly is where a lot of geeks get their aesthetic taste for tech.

I've lost track of the times JW and I have looked at available computer cases and share links for who can find the uglier one. Then you read the reviews on them and people talk about how awesome it looks.

[Marshmallowman]

Very funky designs, but I would think your standard box on a shelf would sound better.

I must admit well designed expensive equipment form 10 years ago holds up very well against the latest, whereas the best computer from 3 years ago is a virtual abacus.
(gimmicks not included)

I quite enjoy listening to tube equipment though, yes I know it is less accurate and doing a side by side listen on my bros highened kenwood or yamaha equipment against some handmade valve stuff (older quality design but using new valves) you would almost immediatly say the solid state equpiment sounds better initially but after listening to the valve stuff for a few hours you enjoy it more (less ear stress?..weird?)