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    Honda puts its crosshairs on the Toyota Prius

    Honda was the first car company to bring a modern gasoline-electric hybrid to the U.S. market with the Insight in 1999. Since that time, however, Honda has been relegated to a distant second in the hybrid sales race to Toyota.

    Although remarkably fuel efficient, Honda's two-seat Insight never caught on with the American public. Two generations of Civic Hybrids and an Accord Hybrid also weren't enough to sway hordes of people to Honda showrooms. In the case of the Civic Hybrid, it was the innocuous styling -- the Accord Hybrid failed due to its "performance hybrid" nature which resulted in meager fuel economy gains over a conventional Accord V6.

    As a result, Toyota simply ran away from the field with its unique, roomy and highly practical second generation Prius. While the styling of the Prius didn't set many hearts ablaze, Americans automatically associated the Prius with being a hybrid.

    Toyota sold over 110,000 units of the Prius through the first seven months of 2007. Honda, on the other hand, struggled to sell one-fifth that number with the Civic Hybrid and Accord Hybrid sales combined.

    "The Prius has become synonymous with hybrid; it's the Kleenex of hybrids," said Honda senior VP John Mendel. "We feel Honda should be synonymous with the most fuel-efficient company in America."

    Tired of standing in Toyota's shadow, Honda is looking for a little magic of its own and is building a dedicated hybrid car that will have its own unique look. According to Honda execs, the new "Global Small Hybrid" will be a five-passenger vehicle, have a price tag of under $22,000 and will arrive in 2009.

    Honda also says that the Global Small Hybrid will have better fuel economy than the Prius. Given the company’s past experience with the Insight and its title as "The most fuel-efficient company in America," Honda surely has the experience and fortitude to achieve that goal.

    Honda, however, isn't placing all of its eggs in one basket in hybrid technology. While Toyota is looking to make all of its vehicle hybrids by 2020, Honda is aiming to reserve hybrid technology for its small cars while giving customers the option of a diesel engine in its larger vehicles.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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    Hardly re-enters, as it never left. One of the problems Honda had with the Civic Hybrid is that they severely underestimated the demand and were not geared up to make enough. That is why I had to wait 7 months for delivery of mine. In this country, more than twice the Honda hybrids have been sold, compared to the Prius, but this is possibly due to a major price differential (CYP 12,500 and 16,900 respectively) and the fact that the Prius "makes a statement" without being a luxury car. Having driven both, I found the main advantages (apart from price and appearance) of each as follows:
    Prius:
    - Less road noise
    - More baggage space
    - Distinctly better fuel consumption in town driving
    - Easier town driving
    Civic:
    - Much better roadholding and general 'feel' of control
    - Quieter and more comfortable
    - Better highway fuel consumption
    - Simpler mechanics
    - Better equipment as standard

    The average fuel consumption of both in a mix of town and country driving is essentially the same for identically sized cars (except for height), but I'd recommend the Prius for those doing mainly town driving and the Civic for those doing mainly longer distance highway driving.

    My main "beef" about my Civic is that topography makes a terrific difference to consumption. For example, the Nicosia-Astromeritis road is partially highway and partially good, ordinary road and is flat. Doing it in both directions gives me a petrol consumption of ~4.9 l/100 km. Nicosia-Mosfiloti, almost the same distance, but more hilly highway all the way, with an altitude difference of ~250 m gives me 4.4 l/100 km M>N but 6.9 l/100 km in the other direction, giving an average of 5.7 l/100 km. IOW, the energy recovered from going downhill does not entirely compensate for that needed to go uphill. That having been said, a friend who has the ordinary Civic with a 1.8 l engine (slightly higher power but lower torque) averages 7.9-8.2 l/100 km for the same journey, which he does every day. My old CR-V (2 l engine) drank ~11.5 l/100 km for the same trip, despite being lighter, so I've almost halved my consumption (and increased my comfort). I'll grant you that this is also partially because the hybrid has made me change my driving habits to some extent.

    The Insight is not comparable with the Prius, as it's a tiny 2-seater with an extraordinary fuel consumption and with the merit of pre-dating the first Prius on the market by 18 months. I've never been in one, although I have a friend in DC who had one. He averaged 88 mpg on a trip to Boston and back!
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    • #3
      Honda discontinued the Civic hybrid earlier this year, and this isn't a Civic...it's a whole new vehicle.
      Dr. Mordrid
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      An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

      I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
        Honda discontinued the Civic hybrid earlier this year, and this isn't a Civic...it's a whole new vehicle.
        Bollocks! The Civic Hybrid is current. The Accord Hybrid has been discontinued. I bought my Civic Hybrid just 2 months ago (after waiting 7 months!)
        Brian (the devil incarnate)

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        • #5
          OK it's the Accord. In either case the new hybrid is a new design and like it or not wheel motors are coming.
          Dr. Mordrid
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          An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

          I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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          • #6
            I hope this time they give the hybrid their bold, new styling (like the european Civic or the FCX), not the boring one the hybrid Civic had.
            There's an Opera in my macbook.

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            • #7
              It was the "boring" styling that pushed me towards it! I don't need to tell other road users that my car is different. The latest 2-door Civic that I see around is just eye-candy that lies, because it tells people you think you have a better car than you have.
              Brian (the devil incarnate)

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              • #8
                I know there are different tastes out there. I just think the american and hybrid Civics look too much like any other car. The european Civic is a breath of fresh air. I'd find them boring if every other car looked like that as well. Maybe they should really offer the Civic in both variants.

                And who says a moderately-priced car isn't allowed to look good?
                There's an Opera in my macbook.

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                • #9
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