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    So today was Logan's 7th day of school. He came home and I opened his bag to find what wonderful things his teacher had sent home today.

    I have tolerated "new math", I have tolerated sub-par reading, I have paid $4.50 for the "weekly reader" which for first-graders consists of roughly 5 words per page. I have followed the rules, I have been a GOOD parent.

    But today Logan had a packet from Readers Digest - you know, the sort of thing where you shill candy bars and magazines to your friends and family and earn money for the school.

    Only it wasn't FROM the school. Or at least not obviously. I asked Logan and he said "some men came to my class and told us we had to sell things". I said "you don't HAVE to sell things" and he said "no, they said we HAD to sell things..." leaving the ominous "or else" off. "But Dad, you can earn prizes so I guess it's ok but I don't want any of the prizes".

    The prizes include... no lie... a BEER HAT, a "hydration station" (didn't someone just DIE in the news of water poisoning?), a cotton candy machine, an inflatable massage chair, a foam hand, and a light-up pen. The ULTIMATE prize, if you sell like 300 magazines, is a COBY mp3 player with an inflatable set of speakers.

    So I sent the following e-mail to the school:

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    Mms ***** and *****,

    We were rather concerned today when Logan came home bearing a Reader’s Digest sales packet. We shan’t pretend ignorance – we of course aren’t that old, and they were doing this sort of thing when we were in school, too. We went to our grandparents and family friends and hawked candy bars or magazines or what have you. Fair enough.

    The problems we have boil down to:

    - It wasn’t in his red binder, and there was no school communication about it. We had to prod Logan to get information about it. When asked what it was, Logan said “we have to sell things!” and when we gently corrected him “you don’t HAVE to sell things”, he replied “yes, we DO. Some men said we HAD to sell things.” We are of course going to give the school the benefit of the doubt and assume that there weren’t strange men in the classroom telling our child that he HAS TO SELL, and of course Logan is quite a literalist. However, we can certainly see how things may have transpired.

    - Nothing in the packet seems especially appropriate for a 6-year-old. Many of the “prizes” aren’t appropriate for kids of ANY age. The beer hat, the “hydration pump”, the cotton candy gin? Again, we realize this is voluntary, but the more we looked at it, the more disconcerted we grew!

    - We have no idea what this is for. One must assume the school benefits, which we of course support! However, this is in no way indicated in the literature. Just a bunch of sales tips, such as “push the extra special items and the Reader’s Digest subscriptions, kids!” and “always tell your parents where you’re going when you go out to sell!” – in a more sarcastic moment, we are forced to wonder if sales & marketing has been added to the first grade curriculum?

    - He’s been at school … A WEEK. We don’t wish to be rude, but … a WEEK into the school year for this sort of thing? Logan comes home with new ideas and experiences, and a happy face every day, and we have no desire for that to change. This just seems to have been handled very poorly.

    - Logan is six years old. This is his first introduction to anything like this, and we had quite a hard time explaining things to him. He went to bed tonight really not sure “how he was going to sell enough things to get any prizes”. That’s more than a bit upsetting to us as parents.

    We of course at this time shall decline to participate in any such “fundraising” efforts unless they’re handled a little better. Perhaps an official school notice (heck, even one of Ms. *****’s nice “note to the parents” sheets!) detailing the program, what we’re raising money for, etc. would have been apropos. Of course we want to support the school and will do so in any reasonable manner. But this just wasn’t appropriate.


    Sincerely,

    Jason & Julie Goldovitz

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    Are we overreacting? I mean, we just got SO ANGRY about this. I think the worst part was it made Logan feel bad and anxious. And his teacher didn't explain it or soften it at all.
    Last edited by Gurm; 12 September 2007, 21:11.
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    Good on ya.

    You're letter was very appropriate considering. Its almost shocking.. "a BEER HAT" you've got to be kidding. If you have a scanner, this is so something i want to see.

    I agree with everything you said in the letter. A week into the school year and theyve already got kids selling shit. Its ridiculous. My 5 year old niece came home on the third day of kindergarten with items to sell. How about they teach the kids first.
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    • #3
      I have it worse. Not only has every kid since 1978 came home with those but being married to a teacher there is one more to deal with every session.

      Why use the word "session"? Because our district does 2-3 "fund raisers" every year

      Given what little percentage of the sales the school gets I'd rather they just ask for donations.
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      • #4
        Actually Gurm, IMO you are not overreacting at all. I found it a very reasonable and adequate communitcation. I'd not have used caps and "heck" but you addressed good points in a good way.

        If only more parents did such as opposed to just shut up and hide.
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        • #5
          I'd be shocked if my kids came home with something like that. We have very open and honest fund raising activities (school fetes, book sales, cake sales, maybe raffle tickets sent home once a year for parents to handle). I'm still a school governor and you can be sure I'd be talking to the Head very quickly if that happened.

          You did absolutely the right thing.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lizzard[MPE] View Post
            Good on ya.

            You're letter was very appropriate considering. Its almost shocking.. "a BEER HAT" you've got to be kidding. If you have a scanner, this is so something i want to see.

            I agree with everything you said in the letter. A week into the school year and theyve already got kids selling shit. Its ridiculous. My 5 year old niece came home on the third day of kindergarten with items to sell. How about they teach the kids first.

            We've got a scanner. I'll scan it a little later. They don't CALL it a beer hat. They CALL it a "super sippin' action cap" or something, but it's the same thing you can buy in the parking lot at Red Sox games... and the prize catalog cover shows an 8-10 year old riding a skateboard (with no protective gear) while wearing the beer hat and sipping down "milk"!
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            • #7
              Doc,

              If they had just handled it a little better we would have rolled our eyes, groaned, and helped him shill a couple things. The biggest problem in our mind is that EVERYTHING at this school is handled SO professionally and "by the book". Want the kid out early? There's a form, on the website. Need to change busses? Please send two copies of a typed note, or ... use the form on the website! Every communication from the teacher comes preprinted, signed. EVERY NIGHT there's something in his red binder that's official and clearly from the school and laid out so there's no confusion.

              ... and then this.

              "Who gave you this?"

              "Some man."

              "Where?"

              "Some men came to our class and told us to sell things."

              ... I mean, I'm pretty sure that by now you all have an idea of what Logan is like. He's a literalist, but he's also extremely bright. And they must have pushed it pretty hard for me to have a hard time explaining it to him! They didn't tell him the school benefited, just that he "had to sell". That's what REALLY irks me. It wasn't "do this so your classroom gets more books", it was "sell stuff and get prizes!"

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              • #8
                I still say this is one of the best things I've ever seen you write. Always nice to see our Gurm restrain himself and use his powers for good

                I still don't get "New Math".... replace numbers with colors? WTF? So you're replacing one abstract concept with another abstract concept to teach? How is that better than one apple plus one apple equals two apples?
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                • #9
                  Pretty sad that the school is more interested in getting money than actually teaching the kids.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Claymonkey View Post
                    I still don't get "New Math".... replace numbers with colors? WTF? So you're replacing one abstract concept with another abstract concept to teach? How is that better than one apple plus one apple equals two apples?
                    Blue & yellow equals green?

                    Jokes asside, that sounds like a perfect way of making sure that atleast one generation fails to grasp math
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                    • #11
                      Looking forward to hearing the school's reply.
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                      • #12
                        You can produce one of two opposite reactions, silence or wordy obfuscation, by simply asking the question:
                        "What percentage of the proceeds does the school receive?"

                        At ChooChoo's school we have a better way.
                        We just ask:
                        "Hey, we're a poor convent school. How about coughing up some dough?"

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                        • #13
                          Well done Gurm,
                          Like you I don't mind a few of these extra fundrasiers for the school, but it should teach the kids something, not the "go sell" sales pitch.
                          2 years ago my kid's school did something like that, we also found out the principal was getting a cut back, well she was let go that school year. Parents can do alot in our system, usually.

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                          • #14
                            It turns out that while we're still not HAPPY about it, we at least understand it. We were supposed to get a handout - a confluence of events prevented that, not least of which was Logan forgetting to bring the handout HOME.

                            And they did the "please just give us money" last year, repeatedly, to build the new playground and do renovations, so this year they just decided to do the "path of least resistance" fundraiser, once for the whole year.

                            And the principal made sure that the prize you get for just selling ONE thing is appropriate for kids Logan's age.

                            So it's not as bad as all that. And we're all on the same page now.

                            We picked up Logan from school yesterday, and his teacher met with Julie and said "so I didn't really understand the extent of Logan's grasp of reading and language until this morning..." apparently he had decided to read to her from "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" during library time. And she kept opening to pages and he kept just reading it out loud and she now understand that she'll need to find 4th-6th grade reading materials for him... but at the same time work with him on 1st-grade concepts like "writing using lower case letters".

                            So it's all good, for now. Except the math thing. *spits*
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gurm View Post
                              So it's all good, for now. Except the math thing. *spits*
                              ROFL, that should sound familiar for many.

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