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    China down to 12 days of coal stocks

    * 18:18 23 April 2008
    * NewScientist.com news service
    * Fred Pearce

    China's booming economy could be running out of steam – literally.

    At the end of a cold and stormy winter, the country has just 12 days of coal reserves at most power stations. Some provinces, including Hebei, bordering Beijing, have less than a week's coal left. This is a record low, the state electricity regulatory commission revealed on Tuesday.

    China relies on burning coal for 70% of its electricity. Even though Chinese coal production in the first quarter of this year was up almost 15% on the same period last year, it has apparently not been enough to meet rapidly growing demand.

    Coal imports, which started last year, have also failed to meet the difference between supply and demand. Such is the demand for power from an economy that has been growing by 10% a year for more than two decades.

    Coal-fired growth


    The International Energy Agency says China increased capacity at coal-fired power stations by 100 gigawatts in 2006, the most recent year for which figures are available.

    It is often claimed that China builds a new coal-fired power plant once a week but the IEA figure suggests that it in fact builds two, assuming a typical plant size of one gigawatt.

    Even that is not enough to meet soaring demand. The deputy head of the Chinese electricity regulatory commission, Wang Yeping, said the country is likely to be short of 10 gigawatts of electricity generating capacity by this summer.

    Power shortages

    That will cause brownouts and power shortages, particularly in southern provinces such as Guangdong, where the spread of air conditioning systems is competing with industry for power.

    The coal mining industry, and the rail network needed to bring the coal to the power plants, are both struggling to keep up with the drive to build ever more generating capacity. The strains raise questions about how much longer China's breakneck industrialisation can continue.

    Last year, by most calculations, China exceeded the US to become the world's largest carbon dioxide emitter – though its emissions per head of population remain far lower. Both countries are heavily reliant on coal for their power, which produces more CO2 per unit of energy than other major fossil fuels.
    Dr. Mordrid
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  • #2
    funny you mention it, because the USofA doesn't even seem to need a shortage in coal for getting electrical blackouts, so what is your point ?



    Seriously, Doc.

    I'm by far not a regular visitor in here anymore, but every once in a while I stop by and see you finger pointing at something bad happening outside your country or at non-US companies, leaving the impression that everything outside the USofA is inferior to your home country ... why are you doing that ?

    Just wondering,
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    • #3
      Schadenfreude (sp?)

      But he does it also within the USA when it is something he doesn't agree with, such as anything left of mid-right wing!
      Brian (the devil incarnate)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
        Schadenfreude (sp?)
        perfect spelling, but no ...

        Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
        But he does it also within the USA when it is something he doesn't agree with, such as anything left of mid-right wing!
        Thanx for the hint, it is probably just my perception and I wanted to ask that question for ages

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        • #5
          Please note that all I did was quote without comment an article in a science mag that very often has a leftist perspective, meaning politics have nothing to do with it.

          Jezzz.....get a grip. Seems to me some people around here have tunnel vision and automatically take anything a conservative or American says as something to oppose, even if that opposition is nonsensical.

          IF I had commented my point would have been that while trying to nuclearize China is heavily dependent on coal to fuel its growth, and a shortfall could have international implications given its population and a bit of inherent instability & paranoia on their part.

          Seems like a natural discussion to have given the facts in the article.

          As for the US power outage a few years ago:
          we were in the middle of that mess, and yes our grid has major weaknesses and they are being addressed. It has little to do with the Chinese issue other than both involving outages or potential outages. In our case we did get power back relatively quickly, which might not happen with a coal crisis. We've had longer outages caused by coronal mass ejections (solar storms) overloading the Canadian and NE US grid or large storms.

          Also note that in your link Italy suffered an outage that affected even more people, so outages are not just an American problem.
          Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 25 April 2008, 10:49.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
            Schadenfreude (sp?)
            Aber gewis.


            (Maggi, it's been a while, is that correct usage?)
            (PS drop by more often!)
            Chuck
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            • #7
              If the Chinese run out of coal, therefor electricity, and rice shoots up 30% all at the same time
              That would be a LOT of very mad people.
              Chuck
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              • #8
                Exactly, and Asian stability could not handle 1.3 billion angry Chinese IMO.
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                • #9
                  Doc, it also matters which articles you choose to post

                  Plus...posting like that, without comment, verbatim copied article might strenghten the impression that Maggi has...dunno, something like always beeing able to say "I'm just quoting without comments"...

                  PS. Also I thought the whole idea behind hypertext was linking to other materials...why bother copying it? (except when. for example, doing nice summary for others to see)

                  edit: Adding to your comment regarding the situation, I'd say that this might be actually a good thing(tm) - perhaps long term they'll focus more on nuclear/etc.

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                  • #10
                    Doc:

                    no prob at all, it was just quite a few times that I saw you posting negative headlines about negative things outside the US, but at the same time I failed to see you accepting when other people pointed out negative things that happened in the US

                    please, don't make me look it all up it's been so long ago, but from the top of my head, I seem to recall that you sort of bashed Airbus for trouble with finishing the A380, but when problems about the Boeing Starliner were reported, you were rather silent

                    especially this thread was quite disturbing to me


                    and then no word in here


                    however, maybe I'm just not often enough here to get a more balanced impression of you, because Nowhere really has a point there ...



                    ...

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                    for sure = aber gewiss ... double-s for sharp pronounciation ...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nowhere View Post
                      Doc, it also matters which articles you choose to post

                      Plus...posting like that, without comment, verbatim copied article might strenghten the impression that Maggi has...dunno, something like always beeing able to say "I'm just quoting without comments"...

                      PS. Also I thought the whole idea behind hypertext was linking to other materials...why bother copying it? (except when. for example, doing nice summary for others to see)

                      edit: Adding to your comment regarding the situation, I'd say that this might be actually a good thing(tm) - perhaps long term they'll focus more on nuclear/etc.
                      China has a robust program to build a ton of pebble bed nuclear reactors...I wish the US were doing likewise....but quoting without comment usually means one is reporting a news item in the media without expressing opinion - IOW to start a discussion.

                      Please reserve criticisms for when I DO express an opinion you actually disagree with instead of building straw men to shoot at.
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