Death Magnetic (New Metallica) leaked

[Jammrock]

Hey Nowhere, I put the Earth back together already so you can go ahead and change the current Earth status back to Not Destroyed.

[Helevitia]

Uhm, yeah, I guess I just assumed it's similar to the previous ones/more (thorough after some long listening) impressions

Plus - the thing that I'm no longer really that interested in Metallica... (my first post in this thread)

You know what's funny. Everyone says they are no longer interested in Metallica but they still have to read all of the posts and provide their opinion anyway

And I'm not just talking about this forum.

[Nowhere]

Hey Nowhere, I put the Earth back together already so you can go ahead and change the current Earth status back to Not Destroyed.

Well, if you have some new information regarding status of the Earth, I'm sure International Earth-Destruction Advisory Board (same link as in my sig), scientific institution that provides status data, will be most interested in hearing them.

You know what's funny. Everyone says they are no longer interested in Metallica but they still have to read all of the posts and provide their opinion anyway

And I'm not just talking about this forum.

Well, I usually go through most MURC threads that can be even vaguely interesting (and not there's a lot of threads on MURC, overall )
And as for providing opinion - I don't see why I shouldn't left written trace about my position regarding them/how their actions influenced my listening habits/how I will try NOT to listen to them. (ok, I was weak and had to check Unforgiven III (though...I didn't like it...)

[Gurm]

Well I used to love Metallica. Have been to see them a few times live, and it was a great show.

I got very turned off by the fact that they hate their fans; that, and apparently Lars is a phenomenal douchebag.

Plus, let's be honest - it's hard to stay relevant for 25 years.

It's funny, because lots of Metallica "fans" are VERY stuck on their old sound. Y'know the "we can't play so we just repeat the same riffs for 20 minutes and James can't sing so he drags all the vocals out forever" thing. They worked it, and it was cool, but then they took a few years off... and learned to play/sing.

And all of a sudden their fans were like "OMFG they TOTALLY SOLD OUT!" and decried the black album as the worst thing EVAR. But let's face it - playing your instruments well doesn't mean you sold out. Learning to sing doesn't mean you sold out. It really really doesn't.

Load, Reload, etc... eh. More of the same. No innovation. But a few decent songs to be had.

St. Anger? The first Metallica album we DIDN'T buy. I gave it one listen and shuddered. They weren't playing in TIME with each other, much less in TUNE. It wasn't musical, it was just ... craptastic. But it was a "return to their garage days". I dunno, I think even in their Garage days they could, y'know... play.

And now Death Magnetic. It's great! It's fantastic! If... y'know, if you were really really sad that "...And Justice For All" wasn't twice as long. Because this album is a HUGE follow up to that album. Problem is THAT album came out TWENTY YEARS AGO.

(I'm not joking. It came out in 1988!)

And then it really boils down to ... I'm over that point in my life. The band was evolving with its fans. Growing up with its fans. They've stopped doing that. And I've stopped wanting to listen to the same riff for 8 minutes. Even if that riff is REALLY cool, and REALLY well done - which it is! - I'm just not interested. I'm no longer mopey and introspective. I'm no longer 15, or 16, or 18, or 19.

And, let's face it - neither are the members of Metallica.

[Helevitia]

Well I used to love Metallica. Have been to see them a few times live, and it was a great show.

And they still put on the best show on the planet. This is a fact (If you don't believe me, start asking people who have seen them play in the last 6 years and search about it online). Literally nobody else can do what Metallica does on stage. I highly recommend seeing them. Don't take my word for it, ask other people too.

I got very turned off by the fact that they hate their fans; that, and apparently Lars is a phenomenal douchebag.

No, they don't hate their fans, quite the opposite actually. Since I'm not really sure what you are referring to, I'll refrain from making a comment until you do. Are you talking about Napster? The Load CD's? St Anger? What?

Have you ever met Lars? I haven't so I can't say from my own experience, but I can tell you that every singl;e person who thinks Lars is a dick, meets him in person and totally changers their view about him. People think he's a dick because he speaks his mind. I'd think someobody who likes to freely speak his mind yourself, would relate

Plus, let's be honest - it's hard to stay relevant for 25 years.

Yep, you're right, it's really hard to stay relevant in a rock band for so long. You are lying to yourself if you don't think they are still relevant.

It's funny, because lots of Metallica "fans" are VERY stuck on their old sound. Y'know the "we can't play so we just repeat the same riffs for 20 minutes and James can't sing so he drags all the vocals out forever" thing. They worked it, and it was cool, but then they took a few years off... and learned to play/sing.

Ahahahaha! Dude, you obviously don't follow the metal scene or you would know that it is the people who hate Metallica that are still stuck on the old sound. Fans like me realize that they will never make another Master of Puppets and I am OK with that.

You've expressed your opinion in the past how you don't like metal because it just repeats itself. Understood, I can see your point. I will go into this more further down.

And all of a sudden their fans were like "OMFG they TOTALLY SOLD OUT!" and decried the black album as the worst thing EVAR. But let's face it - playing your instruments well doesn't mean you sold out. Learning to sing doesn't mean you sold out. It really really doesn't.

Load, Reload, etc... eh. More of the same. No innovation. But a few decent songs to be had.

I was one of those fans that that was pissed the first time I heard TBA. I basically disowned them like a lot of other people did. And then Load came out and I couldn't even believe my ears. My precious Metallica sounded like a ****ing pop band, wtf!

After a few more years I suddenly grew up and realized that Metallica were playing whatever the **** they wanted. Everybody said they sold out. Well, I realized they did the opposite. The definition of selling out means that one is makeing a lot of money and selling a lot of albums. This didn't happen for the Loads. I also realized I was punishing them for not making Master of Puppets 2.

What a retarded way to look at it. So I finally started lsitening to the music. I'm glad I did, because their are some real gems on the loads. Not many but some. I probably like 7-8 songs between the two.

St. Anger? The first Metallica album we DIDN'T buy. I gave it one listen and shuddered. They weren't playing in TIME with each other, much less in TUNE. It wasn't musical, it was just ... craptastic. But it was a "return to their garage days". I dunno, I think even in their Garage days they could, y'know... play.

Do you realize that they did all of this on purpose? They took one take of each song and stuck it on the CD. No Protools, no equalizers, nothing. They just finished going through their worst time as a band and this album is what came out of it. I always wondered if more people would have liked it more if the production was better.

Personally, I like this album better than the loads. why? because it's ****ing brutal. Have you ever listened to the DVD that comes with the CD? It has the band playing the entire album in the studio. It sounds way better than the CD. I love St. Anger and the way it sounds. I even like Lars' snare sometimes

And now Death Magnetic. It's great! It's fantastic! If... y'know, if you were really really sad that "...And Justice For All" wasn't twice as long. Because this album is a HUGE follow up to that album. Problem is THAT album came out TWENTY YEARS AGO.

(I'm not joking. It came out in 1988!)

Remember when I said I'd get back to my point above? Well this is it. For someone that bitches about hearing the same riff over and over, I',m kind of amazed that you talk so much shit about AJFA. That album is a technical masterpiece of heavy metal riffs, drum beats, lyrics, and singing. This isn't my opinion, this is the general consensous of many. But you know what's funny, I really hate talking about the technical aspects of music because at the end of the day, you can be the best ****ing drummer or guitarist or whatever and the music can still suck. AJFA sounds amazing! At least to my ears and actually to a lot of others as well.

And Death Magnetic is a smorgisborg of riffs! Holy ****! It takes 10 listens just to soak it all in. Since it seems you only listened to it maybe once at the most, then you really haven't experienced this album. Like I said in an earlier post. I give it a 7.5/10. That's more than I ever expected out of Metallica at this momen in their lives. People generally agree that DM is on par with the first 4 albums. I rate under MOP, RTL and AJFA, but above everything else.

And then it really boils down to ... I'm over that point in my life. The band was evolving with its fans. Growing up with its fans. They've stopped doing that. And I've stopped wanting to listen to the same riff for 8 minutes. Even if that riff is REALLY cool, and REALLY well done - which it is! - I'm just not interested. I'm no longer mopey and introspective. I'm no longer 15, or 16, or 18, or 19.

And, let's face it - neither are the members of Metallica.

And again, how I completely disagree with you. How many bands do you know that can sound so different from album to album. I can't think of one other, can you? The newest album has everything in it. Fast, slow, heavy, light, ballad, mainstream. It even sounds modern, which is really hard for a band to do. Once again, this is my opinion but agreed by many.

Plus, this album isn't all mopey, it has a positive undertone and feels positive when you listen to it.

You know, I try not to give out my opinion about Metallica too much other than I love this band, but Gurm, you sound like all of the other people who have dismissed Metallica for various different reasons over the years. What happened to, "I will listen to the music and deicde for myself if it is good or not"?

Is my view jaded? Maybe. But I try really hard to not be onesided on this debate. I just feel Metallica gets an undeserved bad rap in some circumstances. They are human like everyone else and make mistakes, but because they are in the limelight, they get chastised for making mistakes because our society thinks it's cool to make fun of people ****ing up!

So there! I'm done

[Gurm]

And they still put on the best show on the planet. This is a fact (If you don't believe me, start asking people who have seen them play in the last 6 years and search about it online). Literally nobody else can do what Metallica does on stage. I highly recommend seeing them. Don't take my word for it, ask other people too.

Saw them just before Jason left the band. It was fantastic. I have no doubt that it still is, they pilfered Ozzy's bass player and he's badass.

No, they don't hate their fans, quite the opposite actually. Since I'm not really sure what you are referring to, I'll refrain from making a comment until you do. Are you talking about Napster? The Load CD's? St Anger? What?

Ok look, they SUED their fans. You can play apologist all you want, but they... SUED... THEIR... FANS. Even the ones that bought their music. They displayed a total lack of ability to comprehend new technology, and sued their fans.

Have you ever met Lars? I haven't so I can't say from my own experience, but I can tell you that every singl;e person who thinks Lars is a dick, meets him in person and totally changers their view about him. People think he's a dick because he speaks his mind. I'd think someobody who likes to freely speak his mind yourself, would relate

Except that every time he "speaks his mind" he's going on about how much people who download music suck. And how you shouldn't copy their albums. How about he focuses on making good music, and lets the music industry focus on how to stay on top? Oh wait, because the industry ISN'T WINNING EITHER.

Yep, you're right, it's really hard to stay relevant in a rock band for so long. You are lying to yourself if you don't think they are still relevant.

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT LOL ROFL Roffle Waffles OMFGLMAO!!!!!1111one1!1

Seriously. Nobody is still relevant. I get a kick out of Aerosmith but they aren't relevant. Angry badass long hair beard dudes aren't relevant. I'd pay to go see Iron Maiden but they're not relevant. Rush isn't even goddamned relevant - but honestly they never were.

Ahahahaha! Dude, you obviously don't follow the metal scene or you would know that it is the people who hate Metallica that are still stuck on the old sound. Fans like me realize that they will never make another Master of Puppets and I am OK with that.

Umm no. I was PART of the "metal scene" when the black album came out. Live, on the floor at the clubs, playing the metal. And lemme tell you it was "OH MY GOD THEY SOLD OUT LISTEN IT'S IN TUNE!"

Ride the Lightning? Great album, right? Eh... no. I would not willingly listen to Ride the Lightning right now. Why? BOOOOOOOORING. Chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-oh-has-it-been-8-minutes-we-didn't-realize-we-were-too-busy-chugging. WAIT AN AWESOME SOLO MAYBE IT'LL STAY COOL... no. Crap, where were we? Oh yes. Chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug.

You've expressed your opinion in the past how you don't like metal because it just repeats itself. Understood, I can see your point. I will go into this more further down.

Look, I "get it". I used to be at a place in my life where I could groove on repetitive music. I got over it. Most people do. But I swear, between electronica/dance/house/groove/trance/trip-hop/shit-pop/****tard-rap/whatever and death metal... just make a damn hook already. It's simple. Rock music goes like this: intro/verse/hook/chorus/verse/hook/chorus/outro. It does NOT go intro/chug/chug/chug/chug/chug/chug/chug/SOLO!/chug/chug/chug/chug/chug/chug/outtro. That is boring. That is ri-goddamned-diculously boring. Ugh. I can't believe I liked listening to that. But I did. *sigh*

I was one of those fans that that was pissed the first time I heard TBA. I basically disowned them like a lot of other people did. And then Load came out and I couldn't even believe my ears. My precious Metallica sounded like a ****ing pop band, wtf!

After a few more years I suddenly grew up and realized that Metallica were playing whatever the **** they wanted. Everybody said they sold out. Well, I realized they did the opposite. The definition of selling out means that one is makeing a lot of money and selling a lot of albums. This didn't happen for the Loads. I also realized I was punishing them for not making Master of Puppets 2.

What a retarded way to look at it. So I finally started lsitening to the music. I'm glad I did, because their are some real gems on the loads. Not many but some. I probably like 7-8 songs between the two.

The Loads got them more MTV time and more public exposure than ALL of their work prior put together. That was the point. Lars figured out how to market them. They DID sell out. But you know what? Selling out is ok. Making music that people other than angry 15 year olds like... is OK! It really is! Expanding your demographic past bikers and disenfranchised teens is ... OK!

Do you realize that they did all of this on purpose? They took one take of each song and stuck it on the CD. No Protools, no equalizers, nothing. They just finished going through their worst time as a band and this album is what came out of it. I always wondered if more people would have liked it more if the production was better.

Err... no. You don't suck on purpose. Look, I play guitar. When I'm not "on", I'm not. When I suck, I suck. Am I a musical snob because I like it when the members of a band are playing in the same key, at the same tempo, and following the same rhythm? I don't really think so. St. Anger... at some points they weren't even in TUNE. That's not "poor production value". That's PLAYING LIKE ASS. I know, you don't know me from a hole in the wall. My entire family is professional musicians except for me. I spent my entire life listening to live music every day. People who play out of tune and out of time PISS ME OFF. People who do that "on purpose" are ****ats. (This is the reason I will punch any member of Sonic Youth that I ever meet in the mouth.)

Personally, I like this album better than the loads. why? because it's ****ing brutal. Have you ever listened to the DVD that comes with the CD? It has the band playing the entire album in the studio. It sounds way better than the CD. I love St. Anger and the way it sounds. I even like Lars' snare sometimes

*sigh* You can love it, just don't claim it's GOOD. Because it's not. I recognize that some people can get past the lack of timing, the lack of tuning, and the lack of musical integrity to appreciate the emotions and intent of an album. More power to them/you. I ... just ... can't.

Remember when I said I'd get back to my point above? Well this is it. For someone that bitches about hearing the same riff over and over, I',m kind of amazed that you talk so much shit about AJFA. That album is a technical masterpiece of heavy metal riffs, drum beats, lyrics, and singing. This isn't my opinion, this is the general consensous of many. But you know what's funny, I really hate talking about the technical aspects of music because at the end of the day, you can be the best ****ing drummer or guitarist or whatever and the music can still suck. AJFA sounds amazing! At least to my ears and actually to a lot of others as well.

Opinion. It's a step beyong Ride the Lightning. But just a step. Look, it's the same damn riff over and over. ChugchugchugchugchugchugTWISTchugchugchugchugRIFFc hugchugchugchugSOLOchugchugchugchug. Every song could be half the length and be BETTER for it. Is it a good album? Yes. Is it too damn long? HELL YES. 8 minutes is unnecessary unless you're DOING something for that 8 minutes.

And Death Magnetic is a smorgisborg of riffs! Holy ****! It takes 10 listens just to soak it all in. Since it seems you only listened to it maybe once at the most, then you really haven't experienced this album. Like I said in an earlier post. I give it a 7.5/10. That's more than I ever expected out of Metallica at this momen in their lives. People generally agree that DM is on par with the first 4 albums. I rate under MOP, RTL and AJFA, but above everything else.

Ugh. Re-read my last paragraph. Then re-read it again. It's a good album, ok? I just don't want to listen to it. Chug-chug-chug-chug-riff-chug-chug-chug-chug-trill-chug-chug-chug-chug-solo-chug-chug-chug-chug-chug. Too much chugging. Take the 8 minute song. Make it 4 minutes. Then we'll talk.

Is my view jaded?

Nope, it's FAN-tastic! Plus - and I say this with love - a little musically immature. Again, I'm a music snob. I'm a TOTAL music snob. I recognize that. But it's like having someone go on and on about how the latest iteration of Budweiser is SO MUCH BETTER than previous iterations of Budweiser, and I go... "but it's BUDWEISER." Ok, so that was a bad analogy, but...

Maybe. But I try really hard to not be onesided on this debate. I just feel Metallica gets an undeserved bad rap in some circumstances. They are human like everyone else and make mistakes, but because they are in the limelight, they get chastised for making mistakes because our society thinks it's cool to make fun of people ****ing up!

No, just people suing their fans. And being full of themselves. And pissing Newstead off so much that he quit. And then pilfering Ozzy's bass player only to release an album filled with SUCK.

So there! I'm done

Yeah me too.

[Nowhere]

[Helevitia]

hehe

[Jammrock]

Metallica in the Wall St Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122228767729272339.html#project%3D%26articleTabs%3Darticle

The article is about the sound quality of the album and the battle between sales and quality. This is my favorite part.

As for the deafening "Death Magnetic," it struck one fan as fitting for these tumultuous times, thanks to songs like "Broken, Beat and Scarred" and "All Nightmare Long," says Metallica's co-manager, Mr. Burnstein. He says an investment banker emailed to say that "the album and its song titles have just become the soundtrack of Wall Street for fall 2008."