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    Canada, Ontario to Give GM, Chrysler C$4 Billion Aid (Update2)


    By Hugo Miller and Reg Curren

    Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC will get C$4 billion ($3.3 billion) in government loans from Canada and the province of Ontario, a day after the U.S. agreed to aid to keep the two automakers operating.

    General Motors’ Canadian unit will receive C$3 billion while Chrysler is set to get C$1 billion, the two governments said today. Borrowers must accept limits on executive compensation and also report “material transactions in excess of C$125 million or more,” the two governments said in a joint statement.

    “This is a huge problem that faces the Ontario community and the Canadian economy by extension,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper said at a press conference in downtown Toronto today.

    Canada’s aid builds on the $13.4 billion in U.S. emergency loans announced by President George W. Bush. Canadian Industry Minister Tony Clement on Dec. 12 pledged to offer GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co.’s Canadian units federal and provincial aid “proportional” to the their contribution to North American production, which is about 20 percent.

    “We will not allow catastrophic collapse” of the industry, Harper said. “But the auto companies have to change the way they do their business in a very serious way.”

    The aid package is “not a blank check” and Canadian taxpayers expect the money to be used to renew the industry and involve all stakeholders in that process, Harper said.

    Ontario’s Contribution

    Ontario will contribute C$1.3 billion to the package and the Canadian government C$2.7 billion, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said at the same news conference.

    “This is about 400,000 jobs and 400,000 families,” said McGuinty. “There’s a lot at risk.”

    The Canadian Auto Workers union lauded the package and pledged to continue working with the companies and governments to ensure the industry’s survival in Canada, Ken Lewenza, president of the union said.

    “The announcement today was important for our industry, our workers and for all citizens of Canada,” said Lewenza. “There are 400,000 jobs at stake here.”

    He declined to speculate on whether his membership will have to take wage-and-benefit cuts as part of the package.

    U.S. Package

    The U.S. package requires companies to have pay and work rules in place by the end of 2009 that make them competitive with those of overseas automakers with plants in the U.S.

    GM had asked for C$800 million ($641 million) in aid from Canada by month’s end and an additional C$1.6 billion line of credit through the second quarter.

    GM will receive C$800 million now and on Jan. 30 another C$1.2 billion and further C$1 billion on Feb. 27. Chrysler gets C$400 million immediately with another C$400 million at the end of January and the balance in February.

    The industry will have to restructure and will probably end up being smaller, said Harper.

    “This will be a difficult restructuring,” said McGuinty.

    Ford’s Canadian unit had asked for access to as much as C$2 billion in “standby” credit, to be used if the current economic crisis worsens. Chrysler LLC didn’t say how much it was seeking.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    This is just the beginning.
    Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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      Hm, and I can't even remember the last time Doc was grumbling about socialism

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      • #4
        In fact I support the idea of bridge loans to the automakers since a large part of their problem (not the poor product choices though) can be laid at the feet of the Feds and some state governments, and don't s'seven get me started on the UAW.

        Did the automakers implement CAFE standards with such a short implementation schedule that it would cost $400 billion plus another $150 million in federal loans (NOT TARP or the "bailout") and still not be enough?

        Did the automakers ruin the credit markets by allowing bad paper, then compound the problem by allowing it to be traded like stocks and bonds?

        etc. etc. etc.

        Meanwhile JD Powers now says that their quality is the highest it's ever been, and for several models higher than many Toyota and Honda cars. On top of that GM now has more models that get 30+ MPG than any other automaker (18 and counting).

        Bottom line is that the automakers are just now on the final stages of their reformation, meaning it's absolutely not the time to let them die because they've "not changed".
        Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 20 December 2008, 22:00.
        Dr. Mordrid
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        An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

        I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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        • #5
          Im sad to say: 30+mpg is a puny target!

          My current 4wd is the least efficient car I have ever owned. It does 40 mpg.

          To mention targets beneath 50 mpg (which all modern cars ought to be able to do) is showing how to NOT take things seriously.

          In Denmark, in 2008, the average mpg of cars sold was: 52mpg. Thats the average. THe most sold model of 2008 does 60 mpg (Its the skoda green line model).

          That Opel for some reason sells a lot of cars in Denmark, was a factor pulling the average down: The most sold model only runs around 50 mpg - with the top economic model going about 55 mpg.

          This is helped by Peugot and VW/Audi, whose models easily does 60-70 mpg.

          So 30 mpg? Hmm..

          ~~DukeP~~

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
            Did the automakers ruin the credit markets by allowing bad paper, then compound the problem by allowing it to be traded like stocks and bonds
            Yes they did, or at least GM did! GMAC? Billions of dollars in subprime mortgages and autoloans.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by DukeP View Post
              Im sad to say: 30+mpg is a puny target!

              My current 4wd is the least efficient car I have ever owned. It does 40 mpg.

              To mention targets beneath 50 mpg (which all modern cars ought to be able to do) is showing how to NOT take things seriously.

              In Denmark, in 2008, the average mpg of cars sold was: 52mpg. Thats the average. THe most sold model of 2008 does 60 mpg (Its the skoda green line model).

              That Opel for some reason sells a lot of cars in Denmark, was a factor pulling the average down: The most sold model only runs around 50 mpg - with the top economic model going about 55 mpg.

              This is helped by Peugot and VW/Audi, whose models easily does 60-70 mpg.

              So 30 mpg? Hmm..

              ~~DukeP~~
              Are you talking US gallons or imperial?
              Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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              • #8
                Since I am using google to convert from km/l I am certain its US.

                When I say 40 mpg I mean 17 kilometres pr. liter of gasoline.

                I love SI units, btw.

                ~~DukeP~~

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Umfriend View Post
                  Yes they did, or at least GM did! GMAC? Billions of dollars in subprime mortgages and autoloans.
                  All made possible because of a bad F. Mae/F. Mac policy implemented by Clinton & Co. back in 1996, namely writing bad paper to encourage low income persons (who couldn't afford it) to get mortgages. That was the seed of the poison tree, and after that every other politician with a low income region in their district (all sides) piled on to curry favor with that voter bloc.
                  Dr. Mordrid
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                  • #10
                    I'm pretty sure GMAC issued ABS prior to 1996.
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