My Jr. High school was NEVER like THIS...

[cjolley]

I wonder.
Here there is simply nothing to associate pole dancing with dancing in general.
It is just a way to entice men into placing dollar bills in ones panties.

Would anyone be OK with a school teaching the female students to do strip tease?



PS Talking about minors here, I'm sure there are plenty of strip tease and pole dance classes for adults. And I have no problem with that.

[Nowhere]

I guess I'm entitled more than anybody here to support this "pole dancer" education thing...too bad my EN grammar is too erratic to make a good joke out of it



But seriously, in regards to "it teaches to be a slut"...well, so is educating about anticonception, right?

Don't fool yourself that "proper classes" have much of an influence; here, on average, few girls from every highschool class loose their virginity on pilgrimages (which, together with nowadays quite low (thankfully) attendance, means that majority of pilgrims loose it in such circumstances)

As a matter of fact, from what I've seen in my relatively short life, I can conclude that the more somebody was shielded from "everything that's bad in the world", the greater the chance of turning to a slut, among other things. Is it really a surprise that trying "early" (which inescapably means here beeing called a "slut" by those conservative, nice, caring, good members of cathocommunism), in accordance to ones needs & wishes, virtually guarantees (at least from what I see) stable and happy relationships much, much later in life?

[Brian Ellis]

Would you object if the gym were equipped with horizontal bars, instead of vertical?

Well, none of you OTT dirty-minded puritans ever answered this question in post #7.

[cjolley]

Well, none of you OTT dirty-minded puritans ever answered this question in post #7.

It would depend on whether they were teaching sexually suggestive dances with them.
My daughter has a fire pole to slide down on her play house in the back yard.
Nobody objects to the pole itself.




PS What's OTT?

[Brian Ellis]

Over The Top

[High_Jumbllama]

The only thing wrong with this is YOUR dirty minds! Why should a vertical pole not be used as an item of gymnastic apparatus? Would you object if the gym were equipped with horizontal bars, instead of vertical? I saw nothing in the clip whatsoever which was provocative, sexual or erotic. If there were anything provocative in the link, it was the fact that CNN obviously appeared to try to make it so in a display of bad journalism.

Since the activity is primarily associated with stripping, it should not be taught to children. There are plenty of other activities to teach that are not primarily associated with stripping.

[KRSESQ]

Ironically, according to the report there were no official complaints. It was just a distraction to the male students. Obvious why. That alone makes it inappropriate for that age group. A 14-year-old's hormones need no encouragement, regardless of the athleticism of the activity. Our big thing in jhs was to hang around girls' gymnastics practice after school. The girls would get distracted and the coach would shoo us away and we'd always be back.

In high school the weight room was separated from the gymnastics area by a chain-link dividing wall. There was much sweating and flexing going on in there, let me tell, you! (Even under the watchful eyes of the coaches!)

So in reality you can sexualize anything. And athletics in general could be considered a mating display.

Kevin

[Brian Ellis]

Since the activity is primarily associated with stripping, it should not be taught to children. There are plenty of other activities to teach that are not primarily associated with stripping.

Are you sure? Maybe it is only associated with stripping in your mind, because you have seen it done only by strippers. You might as well say kids should not go to bed because some men have sex with prostitutes in bed, therefore beds are associated with prostitution.

[Brian Ellis]

Ironically, according to the report there were no official complaints. It was just a distraction to the male students. Obvious why. That alone makes it inappropriate for that age group. A 14-year-old's hormones need no encouragement, regardless of the athleticism of the activity. Our big thing in jhs was to hang around girls' gymnastics practice after school. The girls would get distracted and the coach would shoo us away and we'd always be back.

I re-looked at the clip. The only time one had a whiff of a boy in it was a group of kids outside the school (no doubt added by CNN to provoke ultra-puritan reactions like yours). At no point inside the gym, was there any hint of a boy watching, not even through the windows!

And if boys were watching, they would be watching, no matter what the girls were doing.

Incidentally, casting my mind back 65 years, we had exercises very similar to some of those on the ropes and I have little doubt the girls did, as well. What difference does it make whether the vertical support is rigid or flexible?

[Dr Mordrid]

Because some would associate a 'rigid' vertical support for a female dancer as a functional phallic analog while the 'flaccid' rope would be a non-functional one afflicted with erectile disorder and therefore no threat.

[Brian Ellis]

Well, my phallus is neither as long or as diametrically thick as the poles, and I have little doubt wifey is eternally grateful for that small mercy.

[Wulfman]

we had poles (~7m?) as well as ropes in our gym both at primary & at secondary school, mainly for climbing exercises. when gymnastics were taught, it was used along with parallel bars, etc - first time I saw a flag.

tango classes might be more erotic than the stuff shown on cnn.

mfg
wulfman

[High_Jumbllama]

Are you sure? Maybe it is only associated with stripping in your mind, because you have seen it done only by strippers. You might as well say kids should not go to bed because some men have sex with prostitutes in bed, therefore beds are associated with prostitution.

Considering beds are primarily meant for comfortable sleeping, your argument does not make sense or at least not the same sense mine did.

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If in your culture or locale, the vertical poles are not associated primarily with stripping then go ahead and teach or demonstrate it or someone else can.

[Nowhere]

So...in your culture vertical poles are associated primarily with stripping?

Are you so obsessed or you don't have trees, streetlights (you know, one of my girfriends DID use a few once when teasing/playing stupid...IN BROAD DAYLIGHT!) or fences? Is there a movement to ban certain shapes of icecream and bottles, carrots, bananas and cocumbers? Ban of watching rocket launches by minors? Perimeter fences (uuups...) around train tunnel entrances so no teens can be demoralised but such view?...

edit: Oh yeah, and we had two columns in the small exercise/aerobic gym.

[High_Jumbllama]

With a person hanging all over them in various positions, yes. First thing I think of.


BTW, good job blowing what I said completely out of proportion.