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  • Death penalty or not?

    I'm not a fan of the death penalty as a form of punishment. Most people don't deserve the privilege of a rather quick death. Then again, letting them rot in jail costs a lot of money. Money that could feed and pay for medication to people who need and deserve it.

    Reason I'm talking about it is this:


    Woman pleads guilty in Ill. torture slaying

    By JIM SUHR (AP) – 15 hours ago

    ST. LOUIS — A woman pleaded guilty Monday to the Illinois torture killing of a pregnant, developmentally impaired mother who police say was beaten with a plunger handle, burned with a hot glue gun and used for target practice with a BB pistol.

    Michelle Riley, 37, pleaded guilty in Madison County, Ill., to first-degree murder in the death of Dorothy Dixon, 29. She faces between 30 and 45 years in prison; a sentencing date has not been set.

    Investigators have said Dixon was a mother with a childlike mind and another baby on the way when she was found dead in January 2008 at a house in Alton, Ill., where she had been banished to the basement and given little more than a thin rug and a mattress to call her own on the chilly concrete floor.

    Riley's attorney, John Delaney, declined an interview request Monday by The Associated Press because sentencing is still pending.

    Four other people, including three teenagers, await trial on first-degree murder charges. Another defendant, Riley's now-14-year-old son, has been sentenced as a juvenile to probation, said Stephanee Smith, a spokeswoman for the Madison County prosecutor's office. Details of his case's resolution were not immediately available Monday.

    Investigators put much of the blame on Riley, who they said befriended Dixon but pocketed monthly Social Security checks she got because of her mental disabilities. Dixon saw little, if any, of the money, police say.

    Authorities say Dixon ate what she could forage from the refrigerator upstairs, where housemates shot her with BBs, doused her with scalding liquid that peeled away her skin. The also torched what few clothes she had, authorities have said, so she walked around naked.

    When her body was found Jan. 31, 2008, clad only in a sweater in the basement, deep-tissue burns covered about one-third of her body — her face, chest, arms and feet — and left her severely dehydrated, police have said. Many of her wounds were infected.

    A coroner's jury concluded that Dixon died of an accumulation of injuries over time. Her unborn child, delivered stillborn during Dixon's autopsy, died because the mother did, the jury ruled.

    Dixon's year-old boy weighed just 15 pounds when taken into state custody after his mom's death, police have said.

    Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
    Last edited by TransformX; 27 October 2009, 07:03. Reason: typo
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  • #2
    No matter what she did, or what motives she had (and reading between the lines, she was not the sharpest knife in the box, either), there is NEVER any justification for the state to take a life. IIRC, Illinois has a moratorium on the death penalty, anyway.
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    • #3
      From what I gather, this woman is 100% guilty.
      Now we stand before two options:
      1. Spend money on this woman for the next 30 years.
      2. Use that money to save lives usually neglected by the institute.

      I'm intentionally ignoring the geography of the crime here. I'd honestly prefer that my tax money would be invested in helping people.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by GuchiGuh
        A human has a right to live.
        Why? Just because it's more 'sentient' than a stay dog?
        That woman was as bestial as any predator out there, why do we kill thousands of innocent animals that did nothing wrong other than existing (I mean animals we don't kill for food or material goods, animals we kill just because they have no place to stay) and let beasts like this woman live?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by GuchiGuh
          I would make them work the not-so-nice-labourers jobs and repay their debt to society this way. I think that way tax payers money is put to better use?
          You're kidding right? Did you read what she pleaded guilty to?

          Death penalty or not, these are people who should not be allowed to mix with the general population ever again.

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          • #6
            I'm curious about who the father was. And why whatever form of social services they have there did not pick up on this earlier. Especially if the 29 year-old with a child-like mind already had one child of her own.
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            • #7
              This of course begs a question I've raised before: Are people like this truly human?

              They certainly seem to lack one (and perhaps more) of the basic traits of humanity, empathy for other humans being the most prominent. How or when they lost this quality or indeed whether they ever had it in the first place, is irrelevent.

              I would go out on a limb and suggest that the thousands of pets euthanized every day display more Humanity than these people did.

              I dread the day when I have to explain to my granddaughter that yes, monsters ARE real. Worst of all, they look just like us.

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              • #8
                I would imagine there was some guilt felt the first couple times Dixon was abused, and to battle the guilt they abused her even more.
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                • #9
                  Save the Bunnies, and do product testing on them.
                  For 30 to 45 years.

                  Why should animals suffer when we have perfectly good people like this ?

                  I am not peta or anything, just what else do you do with them.
                  You can't force someone to work, and putting them in a cell, is wrong.
                  Use them for something useful, even if its lethal.

                  This would be the case only for open and shut cases like this where there are NO extenuating circumstances, and the verdict and proof is clear.

                  So not that many in all....but at least they would be useful. and in a lot of pain.

                  edit : ad NO X-Men style testing, don't want one of these being a Wolverine....
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                  • #10
                    I used to be vehemently against the death penalty. I've been on the fence for quite some time now.

                    I agree every human has a right to live but recognize society has a right to isolate/protect itself from people who have damaged it. Given we can't banish people from the face of the earth, locking up is the only way (save for a death penalty).

                    TX has a point. Keeping prisoners is expensive and no, no kind of forced labour will be able to make up for that cost, not even close.

                    That expense, indeed, could be used to better the quality of life for others and/or prolong their lifes (depending on how you choose to use it).

                    So it is not, IMHO, solely a decision on taking a life. It is in fact exchanging life-years of some for life-years of others. By not allocating means to, say, the starving, but to imprisonment instead, we are making that choice already.

                    Having said that, as long as many keep, for instance, housepets and feed them, the same decision is made between, say, a dog and a starving child elsewhere. There are, I am sure, plenty of less ethical choices made everyday.

                    To add geography, here in the Netherlands we do not have the death penalty. We've seen over the past 20 years quite a few examples of the legal system not working: people being imprisoned for over 10 years only to find that indeed they were not guilty and that the police/DA fouled. If not with intent, with gross negligence in any case.

                    These are cases where the DP might have been applicable.

                    To have had the DP here would have meant that a murder was committed, in my name, unjustified. I would suffer from that knowledge. As such, in my country, I am against the DP. We **** up to often.

                    OT: This reminds me of a movie where Michael Caine plays a UK solicitor who is asked to defend a US suspect in the USA. The cab driver knows this and asks (sortof): "Didn't you Brits have the death penalty?" - "Yes. We kept hanging the wrong man".
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GuchiGuh
                      A human has a right to live.

                      How about Dorothy Dixon, why she had her right to live taken away???

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          Key word in that is "arbitrarily."
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                          • #14
                            "Every human being has the inherent right to life. This right shall be protected by law. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his life.”

                            —Article 6.1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
                            I don't understand how the word arbitrary applies in this situation, unless this refers to the victim.

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                            • #15
                              I approve of capitol punishment when there is no doubt of guilt and absolutely no chance of rehabilitation for reintegration into society. Crimes against children imho should be handled more serious in regards to punishment.
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