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  • Son of Apollo

    NASA has (unwisely IMO - too expensive) been given clearance by Congress to build the Space Launch System launcher and the Orion MPCV (multi-purpose crew vehicle) capsule.

    Space Launch System will be built in 2 scalable blocks;

    Block 1:

    Payload to low Earth orbit: 70 metric tons (150,000 lb)

    Block 2:

    Payload to low Earth orbit: 129,000 kg (280,000 lb)

    First stage

    Core diameter:8.4 meters (27.56 ft)

    Liquid engines: 3 to 5 RS-25D/E (disposable Shuttle engines)
    Sea level thrust (each): 1,817,400 newtons (408,600 lbf)
    Vacuum thrust (each): 2,278,000 newtons (512,000 lbf)
    Fuel/oxidizer: LH2/LOX

    Solid rocket boosters (SRBs): 2 five-segment
    Sea level thrust (each) 12,500,000 newtons (2,800,000 lbf)
    Fuel/oxidizer (by weight): 16% aluminum, 12.04% PBAN (polymer), 1.96% epoxy, 0.4% iron oxide/69.6% ammonium perchlorate

    (a competition will be held later to either keep the SRBs or replace them with liquid side boosters)

    Second stage

    Core diameter: 8.4 meters (27.56 ft)
    Liquid engines: 1 or 2 Rocketdyne J-2X (upgraded Saturn V J2 2nd stage)
    Vacuum thrust: 1,310,000 newtons (294,000 lbf)
    Fuel/oxidizer: LH2/LOX

    The Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle is a conical capsule build with the same mold line as Apollo, but larger.

    Crew: 4
    Diameter: 5 meters (16.5 ft)
    Pressurized volume: 19.56 m3 (691 cu ft)
    Habitable Volume: 8.95 m3 (316 cu ft)
    Mass: 8,913 kg (19,650 lb)
    Service Module Mass: 12,337 kg (27,198 lb)
    Service Module Propellant Mass: 7,907 kg (17,433 lb)
    Endurance: 21.1 days

    Penciled-in flight manifest:

    Here's is a huge weakness - the SLS & Orion are so expensive the funds for flying it will be very short -



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    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 September 2011, 16:29.
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  • #2
    Why don't they just throw this money at SpaceX ?

    Another 12 years before a cargo launch ? What would SpaceX do ?
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    • #3
      SpaceX will be flying Falcon Heavy @53 metric tons by 2013. If there aren't too many delays it could launch a bunch of cargo before SLS ever flies.

      Possibly, Falcon Heavy-H (LH2 Raptor 2nd stage) @70 metric tons a couple years later.

      We might know more Thursday when Elon Musk addresses the National Press Club in DC. The last trip he announced Falcon Heavy and the Vandenberg SLC-4E launch complex. Most everyone is expecting news on FH, a new spaceport, possibly Merlin 2 (which could bring in Falcon X/X-Heavy) and surprises.
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 27 September 2011, 16:48.
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      • #4
        I'm sure they could do better, earlier, and put this out of business before its gets momentum.
        Shame that so much cash would be lost on it for so long.
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        • #5
          You're praching to the choir. The space community is calling it the Senate Launch System - because so many senators in both parties see it as s aource of pork for their states. IOW, it's a high tech jobs program.
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