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    Egypt’s military deposed the country’s first democratically elected president Wednesday night, installing the head of the country’s high court to replace him.


    Morsy out in Egypt coup

    Cairo (CNN) - Egypt's military deposed the country's first democratically elected president Wednesday night, installing the head of the country's highest court as an interim leader, the country's top general announced.


    Gen. Abdel-Fatah El-Sisi said the military was fulfilling its "historic responsibility" to protect the country by ousting Mohamed Morsy, the Western-educated Islamist leader elected a year ago. Morsy "did not achieve the goals of the people" and failed to meet demands to share power with opponents who thronged the streets of Cairo and Tahrir Square, El-Sisi said.

    Those crowds erupted as the announcement was made on Egyptian television shortly after 9 p.m. (3 p.m. ET). Ahead of the statement, troops moved into key positions around the capital, closing off a bridge over the Nile River and surrounding a demonstration by Morsy's supporters in a Cairo suburb.

    El-Sisi said the country's constitution has been suspended, new parliamentary elections would be held and Adly Mansour, the head of the country's Supreme Constitutional Court, would replace Morsy.

    At the final hour, Morsy offered to form an interim coalition government "that would manage the upcoming parliamentary electoral process, and the formation of an independent committee for constitutional amendments to submit to the upcoming parliament," he said in a posting on his Facebook page. He noted that hundreds of thousands of supporters and protesters had packed plazas around the country, and he urged that his countrymen be allowed to express their opinions through the ballot box.

    "One of the mistakes I cannot accept -- as the president of all Egyptians -- is to side with one party over another, or to present the scene from one side only. To be fair, we need to listen to the voice of people in all squares," the statement read.

    Morsy, a U.S.-educated religious conservative, was elected president in June 2012. But his approval ratings have plummeted as his government has failed to keep order or revive Egypt's economy. The chaos, including open sexual assaults on women in Egypt's streets, has driven away tourists and investors, while opponents say Morsy's rule was increasingly authoritarian.

    As the troops fanned out Wednesday evening, Morsy was said to be working from a complex belonging to the country's Republican Guard, across the street from the presidential palace, according to Egyptian state media.

    In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the U.S. government -- Egypt's leading ally -- could not confirm reports of a coup. Psaki said the United States is not taking sides and urged all parties to come to a peaceful resolution to the "tense and fast-moving" situation.
    Dr. Mordrid
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  • #2
    I wonder how this will go given that the top generals in the army are of a younger generation than those ousted last year. Might be good. On the other hand, maybe they're just protecting their own investment (allegedly, the military controls about 25% of the economy, producing food, household appliances, toeristic centres etc).
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    • #3
      The Army having a vested interest in the really real world in Egypt may be of benefit here. The govt's f**kups are going to have an effect on them too vs. being isolated from its realities.

      This could also be the end of Muslim Brotherhoods 15 minutes. Having to be dragged out kicking & screaming is going leave long memories in Egypt of their epic fail, while also making this a great point of reference for their opposition in other countries.
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      • #4
        Yup, the Brotherhoods 15 minutes may be over.

        Egypt’s security forces moved to arrest leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood that had supported deposed leader Mohamed Morsy.


        Egypt forces move against Muslim Brotherhood

        Cairo, Egypt (CNN) - Egypt's top prosecutor opened an investigation Thursday into claims that Mohamed Morsy and top leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood incited violence and the killing of protesters, a day after the military ousted the country's first democratically elected president.

        The prosecutor, Gen. Abdel Maquid Mahmoud, issued an order preventing Morsy and 35 others from leaving the country while they are under investigation, state-run Middle East News Agency and EgyNews reported.

        The news came as the Muslim Brotherhood and others called for Morsy supporters to take to the streets Friday across Egypt to protest the military's actions, while Egypt's armed forces announced it would guarantee the rights of people to protest as long it did not result in violence or destruction of property.

        Even so, the military moved to arrest leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood who supported Morsy's rule and to silence their communications outlets.

        Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Gehad El-Haddad told CNN that Morsy was initially under house arrest at the presidential Republican Guard headquarters in Cairo and later moved to the Ministry of Defense; the military has not commented on Morsy's whereabouts.

        The news from MENA and EgyNews appear to contradict reports that Morsy refused an offer by the armed forces to leave Egypt for Qatar, Turkey or Yemen. The state-run newspaper Al-Ahram reported Thursday that Morsy would not step down voluntarily and that his speech Wednesday -- shortly before his ouster -- represented a "flagrant challenge to (the military's) authority" and a "declaration of confrontation with it."

        A spokesman for Morsy's Freedom and Justice Party said that what started as a military coup was "turning into something much more."

        In an interview in Cairo, El-Haddad cited the arrests as "very, very questionable attempts by the military to dismantle the Brotherhood."

        Though El-Haddad has had no direct communications with Morsy, sympathizers within the military were giving information to the Brotherhood, he said.

        The former head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, and his bodyguards were arrested Thursday in Cairo with four weapons in their possession, according to MENA, which cited security sources.
        Dr. Mordrid
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
          The Army having a vested interest in the really real world in Egypt may be of benefit here. The govt's f**kups are going to have an effect on them too vs. being isolated from its realities.
          Really? I disagree. Imagine the corruption, clientilism and general economic inefficiens this causes. No wonder people are mad about lack of jobs, opportunity and transparancy. It's almost a Socialist society within the country with a lot of (fire)power.
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          • #6
            I think things there are ****ed up beyond tipping point.

            I looked up some data and Egypt primarily exports raw oil, imports some refined oil and food. They have huge population which mostly doesn't share from the tourism and other wealth and they turn towards muslim brotherhood.

            On the other hand a situation like this - screwed up economy, corruption, ... is very hard to fix and takes generations. No one who comes in power now is able to fix this. The poor demand someone who will introduce "order" and while this might be bring some perks to them, it sniffles confidence and creates massive opposition.

            If someone more affluent comes in power he will have to rely on existing corrupt power structure and practices and it will generate resentment from the poor. It was similar to the way Mubarak ran things: he was cracking down hard on Muslim Brotherhood and relying on oligarchy to run things.

            Meanwhile the strife is blocking reforms, investor trust and tourism and causing further economic stagnation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Umfriend View Post
              Really? I disagree. Imagine the corruption, clientilism and general economic inefficiens this causes. No wonder people are mad about lack of jobs, opportunity and transparancy. It's almost a Socialist society within the country with a lot of (fire)power.
              At least now the pyramids won't get blown up as one of the Muslim clerics was suggesting as they were a pagan symbol. We saw what these people are capable of in Afghanistan by destroying historic monuments there..
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              • #8
                Oh, I wasn't arguing against the military coup (even though I don't think the MB would have blown up the pyramids (and even if they did, I'm not sure I'd care)).
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Umfriend View Post
                  Oh, I wasn't arguing against the military coup (even though I don't think the MB would have blown up the pyramids (and even if they did, I'm not sure I'd care)).
                  The rest of the world may. We could always suggest that they blow some of your dykes though..
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                  • #10
                    Not sure that makes a lot of sense. Our dykes are not here as a historic monument. But if a demoratically elected government decides to do away with some... who am I to argue? Anyway, this is not the point. I'm fine with the coup in Egypt (for now). I'm just not fine with the way political and economic power are entwined.
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                    • #11
                      Found this interesting article:



                      What was until yesterday a competition between two distinctive forms of government – democracy and authoritarianism – has evolved today into a competition between two different forms of “there is no alternative politics.” In democratic Europe, the motto line is that “there is no policy alternative” to austerity and voters can change governments, but they are disempowered to change economic policies. Brussels has constitutionalized many of the macro-economic decisions (budget deficits, levels of public debt), thereby de facto extracting them from electoral politics.

                      In Russia and China, the recurring line is that “there is no political alternative” to the current leaders. The governing elite is more flexible when it comes to experimenting with different economic policies but what is taken out of the equation is the possibility to challenge those in power. People are not allowed to elect wrong leaders, so elections are either controlled, or rigged, or banned for the sake of ‘good governance”. The last few years have seen the growing intolerance towards political opposition and dissent in these countries.

                      So, it is not easy to understand whether our democracies are becoming ungovernable because publics’ influence on decision making has dramatically increased or because the voice of citizens has lost its power squeezed between the growing influence of global financial markets and the expansion of the democratic principle of self-government outside of the realm of politics.

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