Guns thread

[Dr Mordrid]

Seven Rules For Un-Armed Combat

1: never be un-armed

2: your handgun's caliber should not start with less than "4"

3: practice avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation. If they fail,

4: anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap, life is expensive

5: someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it's empty

6: you will feel sad about killing another human being. It's better to be sad than to be room temperature

7. The only thing you ever say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him."

[UtwigMU]

ÄŒeska zbrojovka buys Colt.

https://www.reuters.com/article/czg-colt-idUSL1N2KH3HO

They already own Dan Wesson.

[Dr Mordrid]

US sales being so high SIG Sauer opened a factory in the US (Newington, New Hampshire), so pricing is a bit different.

My SIG P250 came as a "2sum"; the firing group, 2 frames (subcompact and full size), 2 matching slides and 2 matching magazines for $600.

The SIG P320 starts at $499 for a standard compact and ramps with a whole laundry list of options. On their site you can start by picking a firing group (want it in camo?) then build your custom P320, like buying a Tesla.

For an alternate size/caliber the P320 offers an X-Change kit with the modules needed for the secondary config.

Firing group,



These are the modules for a frame size change, just insert the firing group in the handle and assemble.



For changing from a .40 S&W to a .357 SIG (.357 Mag equivalent) in the same frame size you just change the barrel & spring modules. The magazine is the same.

P320 is now the standard US military, DHS & INS sidearm as the M17 (full size) and M18 (compact), largely because it's so adaptable.

[UtwigMU]

For those unfamiliar Sig is the Mercedes Benz of guns. For example where normal Glock or Smith & Wesson models cost 400-500 Sigs cost 900 and their competition / good looking pistols cost in 2500-3000 range where for example CZ Shadow or Walther PPQ Q5 Match cost 1200-1300. It's for people who have already arrived at their destination.

One guy at the range has a Sig P226 (besides revolvers) and he's like: I had some problems at the bank because I wanted to pay for car with cash and they said it exceeds cash payment limits. Or I bought a new BMW motorbike and I'm now picking instruction manual in different language.

[Dr Mordrid]

55 years of practice with DA revolvers & pistols does wonders.

I'm not quite up to P250 levels with the P320, yet. It has striker fire and the P250's a hammer fire, and there's a trigger "feel" difference. Getting there.

Overall, I love SIGs. Especially these modular models where you can move the firing group between several different handle size, frame size, caliber & slide modules. 3 minutes to change from a subcompact .40 to a full size of another caliber with no tools. Maybe less.

[UtwigMU]

This is excellent, I get similar results in slow fire at 15 meters.

[Dr Mordrid]

Doc, do you also use red dots? If so, which ones?

Nope. My SIGs have SIGLITE Night Sight tritium dots built in, and I'm also an instinctive shooter - a result of dad's training, archery wing shooting and competition trap & skeet.

The wife has lasers on her Rugers, but also learned instinctive shooting.

Our youngest likewise, or he might come around a corner and pin someone to a wall with his tactical crossbow.

Me: draw & rapid fire (.40 P250)
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[UtwigMU]

Doc, do you also use red dots? If so, which ones?

[Dr Mordrid]

I have a Ruger .44 mag revolver, and the wife has both a Ruger LCP (.380/9mm Short/9x17) and an LC9 (9mm) for concealed carry (LCP = Light Compact Pistol). Both in pink, which most ladies here like. A lot.

OTOH, our daughter carries her hubby's Ruger Alaskan .44 mag or a .40 S&W Military & Police auto. I carry a SIG Sauer P320 (striker fired) or P250 (hammer fired) modular auto in 9mm, .357 SIG or .40 S&W. The SIGs can be converted between calibers, subcompact, compact, or full size, depending on what you need.

LCP


LC9


Ruger also makes the LCR (Light Compact Revolver) in .22 LR, .22 Mag, .38 Special, 9mm, .327 Federal Mag, .357 Mag.

https://ruger.com/products/lcr/models.html

[UtwigMU]

10-22 Takedown is a great idea since in case of SHTF situation you can put it in backpack and cover some distance on foot. I found a shop which imports Ruger but they said shipments from USA are slow since Covid.

[Dr Mordrid]

I'm a huge fan of the Ruger 10/22 semi-auto rifle. My first was from the early 1960's. That rifle's now my grandson's and I'm using the Takedown Lite (composite stock).

They're tough as nails, accurate and can use 10 round rotary, box, large banana, or drum magazines. It's so popular the aftermarket accessory market is huge; tactical stocks, triggers, magazines, mounts for this 'n that, etc.

https://ruger.com/products/1022/overview.html

Carbine


Takedown Lite


Target


Competition

[UtwigMU]

You can get very close to that experience by trying scoped 22LR (some refer to it as small caliber rifle, also used in biathlon, Olympic shooting, hunting small animals). Normal 22LR rifles cost around 300 EUR, while very good competition grade go for 500-600 EUR.

With scoped 22LR which has almost no recoil I had 5-10cm groups at 25 meters the first time. Compared to pistol it's like turning on cheat mode in the game, it hits exactly where you put the cross in the scope.

When we were in the army we were noobs and we could hit machine gunner silhouette at 300-400m with normal iron sight AK-47s consistently.

[Umfriend]

Never held a gun. Once I get rich and retire (never gonna happen) I'd like to try a sniper rifle. See if I can get a good shot at, say, 300 mtrs.

[UtwigMU]

Haven't done any range since October because of corona. Do you guys get to shoot? I'm looking into some dry fire but the G-Sight 9mm is not compatible with my pistol. Anyone using any dry fire stuff?

For people who are not familiar with guns: If you don't practice regularly you are in no way ready to pull a gun in self defence. For example on a steel challenge where you shoot 5 stationary steel targets in order of your choice World class results are below 2s, good shooters complete a stage in 2-4s. Even though I've been shooting regularly every week for 6 months or so it still happened on some stages that I emptied 19-round magazine and took 15 seconds and still haven't hit all the targets. In a real situation the target will be moving and can close the distance well before 15s.

I managed to find and order wide safety for my CZ Shadow 2 so at least I'll get some joy tinkering. Wide safety is good for dynamic matches and steel challenges as you start some stages with round in chamber and safety on. Wide safety makes it easier especially to reengage the safety and not fiddle with gun and potentially point it in unsafe direction, receiving disqualification.

Also thinking what gun to buy next:
AK/AR - I really don't need one and there will be one or two events per year where I can compete. Can't shoot that on my local indoor range. Problem is new EU gun directives and leftists potentially coming into power preventing us from ever owning semi auto civilian versions of military rifles. So if I ever want to own one I need to buy one now and hopefully be grandfathered in.
Revolver: They are cool, they are reliable, I can compete in same events as I do now with my 9mm auto. 357 is reasonable. TRR8 is in stock. S&W 29 is also in stock locally (Gun Clint Eastwood had in Dirty Harry) but it's more desirable than practical
22 LR rifle: don't know whether auto or repeating
More compact 9mm: P10C, P07, SIG 365
Or classics: 1911, Walther PPK or maybe MP40 (you can own it modified to semi auto, it costs mouthwatering 2700€ but I want one ever since I held it)

[Dr Mordrid]

Not shabby for a newbie. It can be harder for those not brought up hunting almost from when we could pick up the weapon (no minimum hunting age in MI if with a mentor.)