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    LONDON — Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.

    The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.

    Doctors have long suspected a connection and say the latest findings underline the need to highlight marijuana's long-term risks. The research, paid for by the British Health Department, is being published Friday in medical journal The Lancet.


    "The available evidence now suggests that cannabis is not as harmless as many people think," said Dr. Stanley Zammit, one of the study's authors and a lecturer in the department of psychological medicine at Cardiff University.

    The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.

    There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.

    Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal substance in many countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States. About 20 percent of young adults report using it at least once a week, according to government statistics.

    Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.

    They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.

    They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.

    For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.

    The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.

    One doctor noted that people with a history of mental illness in their families could be at higher risk. For them, marijuana use "could unmask the underlying schizophrenia," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University, who was not involved in the study.

    Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive.

    "The strongest case is that there are consistencies across all of the studies," and that the link was seen only with psychoses — not anxiety, depression or other mental health problems, he said.


    Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.

    Scientists think it is biologically possible that marijuana could cause psychoses because it interrupts important neurotransmitters such as dopamine. That can interfere with the brain's communication systems.

    Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.

    "We've reached the end of the road with these kinds of studies," said Dr. Robin Murray of King's College, who had no role in the Lancet study. "Experts are now agreed on the connection between cannabis and psychoses. What we need now is for 14-year-olds to know it."

    In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class "B" category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.


    Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.
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    "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly
    Once a week would mean a heavy user? So people who drink a few beers on the weekend are heavy drinkers too?

    Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.
    Risk jumped to 200%? I hope they meant increased by 200%, otherwise I think they need to check their numbers a little closer.

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    • #3
      Deja vu

      Just HOW MANY times are they going to publish EXACTLY the same story??????

      BTW, it seems that there is an underlying anti-pot campiagn in UK. Not any posters/ads around against marijuana but I've been asked (and other people) by the police 3 times in the last 2 months about the composition of my roll-ups. All three times ended up the same way: me presenting the roll-up cigarette to the police officers and them sniffing it's smoke for a few secs to see if there is anything else in there besides tobacco. All three times about 50m around the place were I work (noon and right in the middle of Chelsea, for f*cks sake).

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      • #4
        Yes time they reclassified as a class B drug and made it illegal again.

        problem is Netsnake you don't realsie what effect it's having on you while you're doing it. Bit like drunk drivers. Drink doesn't effect me. If you want to smoke it fine do it in house but don't do it where you effect others. I like having a clear head when working and not having a false high.
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        • #5
          ????? but I am talking about tobacco roll-ups!!!

          randomly(?) stoping people that smoke roll-ups to check if they smoke MJ is just ridiculous...
          Last edited by NetSnake; 27 July 2007, 07:00.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NetSnake View Post
            ????? but I am talking about tobacco roll-ups!!!

            randomly(?) stoping people that smoke roll-ups to check if they smoke MJ is just ridiculous...
            Just shows that any smoking can be a potential health hazard
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            • #7
              In today's paper, 10 years for possession of marijuana (OK, a sunstantial amount, 3 kg) but one joint is worth 3 to 12 months. This is as it should be.
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              • #8
                I just had to post a link to the Fark comments page about this report. Some mildly amusing, off-the-wall, and insightful comments on the subject.

                Example:
                Alcohol = OK
                Tobacco = OK
                Marijuana = EVIL!

                I'll be going to the library to check out this article myself as soon as it's available. Until then I reserve judgement on their cause/effect conclusions.

                Kevin

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                • #9


                  I tend to agree that's another case of "correlation doesn't equal causation"

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                  • #10
                    You know, ice cream causes crime!

                    It's TRUE!

                    There's a DIRECT CORRELATION!

                    In all the months of the year where ice cream sales go up, SO DOES CRIME!

                    IT'S AMAZING!

                    ...

                    ...

                    But it's not true. Ice cream doesn't cause crime. HEAT causes crime. More crimes are committed when it's hot out. More ice cream is sold when it's hot out.

                    Maybe pot fiends contain a higher percentage of psychotics? Ever think that perhaps predisposition towards psychosis ALSO causes predisposition towards addictive behavior?

                    This is junk science. The fact that a dozen studies, all funded by anti-drug entities, ALL did the same BAD STUDY with the same BAD RESULTS, doesn't make it good science, OR true.

                    And I don't even smoke the reefer more than once a year maybe! I don't much CARE! I just hate bad science and politically motivated substance banning. Wanna ban something? Ban alcohol. It'd fix a LOT more than banning pot. But nobody ever proposes it, because it would never fly. Political suicide.
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                    • #11
                      Given the enormous success of the war on drugs, maybe we SHOULD reconsider prohibition.

                      Kevin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
                        In today's paper, 10 years for possession of marijuana (OK, a sunstantial amount, 3 kg) but one joint is worth 3 to 12 months. This is as it should be.
                        Why? By what right should anyone be able to deny me the pleasure of a joint when I, an adult male, choose to have one?
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                        • #13
                          Because the simple availability leads to abuse by those who have not the powers of discrimination, rendering them open to all sorts of future problems including psychosis plus the fact that criminals are creaming off megabucks in the supply. Unfortunately, hemp has all sorts of great uses besides abuse.

                          I don't deny you the pleasure of your joint, if you are willing to take the risk of 3 or so months of prison. It's up to you to choose which you prefer as your pleasure.

                          Yes, as a moderate wine drinker, I know I'm illogical, because some people abuse alcohol (and may get time in clink if they drive after having done so).
                          Last edited by Brian Ellis; 24 September 2007, 02:04.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
                            Because the simple availability leads to abuse by those who have not the powers of discrimination, rendering them open to all sorts of future problems including psychosis plus the fact that criminals are creaming off megabucks in the supply. Unfortunately, hemp has all sorts of great uses besides abuse.

                            I don't deny you the pleasure of your joint, if you are willing to take the risk of 3 or so months of prison. It's up to you to choose which you prefer as your pleasure.

                            Yes, as a moderate wine drinker, I know I'm illogical, because some people abuse alcohol (and may get time in clink if they drive after having done so).

                            Actually MORE people abuse alcohol. It's a FAR more toxic substance, FAR worse for you and society in every way than Marijuana. Yet the government won't fund studies to show that Alcohol hurts people, that alcohol leads to other drugs, that alcohol causes brain damage. And it does. We KNOW it does. Every time you have a glass of wine a fixed number of your brain cells go screaming off into the night, and yet the government ENCOURAGES that!
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KRSESQ View Post
                              Given the enormous success of the war on drugs, maybe we SHOULD reconsider prohibition.

                              Kevin
                              I'm not sure I agree with you, as I am not sure I understand the goals in the war on drugs.
                              If the goal of the war on drugs is to reduce drugs abuse then, yeah its failing pretty badly (the current American president is an ex Coc head).
                              but .. if you consider that 70% of the population in U.S prisons is Non white. a third of young African Americans are in prison, most of them for drug related crimes, and ...... if the goal is Emm ... "Cleaning" the streets .... then, I'd say the war on drugs is meeting its goals (quotas) very well.
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                              .. some very fair skinned women just have a nasty brown crack no matter what...

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