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    ....on insurgent IED team.



    Link....

    US army claims landmark drone kill

    08/09/2007

    The US army has hailed the killing of two suspected insurgents in northern Iraq by a drone as a landmark in combat aviation history.

    A statement said that a Hunter unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) successfully killed two "unknown enemies" in Nineveh province after ground troops requested backup.

    According to the Pentagon, this represented the first time a fully-armed UAV had been launched.

    The military claims that soldiers identified two potential bombers at a "major thoroughfare" used by coalition troops.

    Before they could deploy roadside bombs – or improvised explosive devices – as suspected, the Hunter was guided in by pilots and its "precise munition" released; killing both men.

    "It's very humbling to know that we have set an army historical mark in having the first successful launch in combat from an army weaponised UAV," said Captain Raymond Fields of the American army's UAV division.

    "This would not be possible without my soldiers and civilians working hard day in and day out in Iraq to accomplish this feat.

    "I think that this success will set the tone for army aviation in years to come. We will see more weaponised army unmanned vehicles being used instead of manned platforms to save not only our aviator brethren but our army ground brethren from enemy contact."
    Dr. Mordrid
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    An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

  • #2
    Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
    ....on insurgent IED team.

    - two suspected insurgents
    - successfully killed two "unknown enemies"
    - two potential bombers
    Bravo! The evidence is outstandingly clear. Pity that their car had a puncture and they were changing the wheel.
    Brian (the devil incarnate)

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    • #3
      I'm with Brian on this one...
      suspected <> guilty
      unknown -> how could they tell they were suspected if they are unknown?
      potential -> hod could they tell if they were unknown (and isn't everybody a potential criminal if pushed far enough?)

      Sounds really like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later...


      Jörg
      pixar
      Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow. (James Dean)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by VJ View Post
        I'm with Brian on this one...
        suspected <> guilty
        unknown -> how could they tell they were suspected if they are unknown?
        potential -> hod could they tell if they were unknown (and isn't everybody a potential criminal if pushed far enough?)

        Sounds really like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later...


        Jörg
        The article is more or less a victim of piss poor reporting. The US Military has strict rules of engagement and they aren't just looking for people to pop that just look suspicious
        Why is it called tourist season, if we can't shoot at them?

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        • #5
          Could be...
          pixar
          Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow. (James Dean)

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          • #6
            Lessee...

            the UAV's patrolling an area where IED's have been used before, basically a combat zone

            car stops along a road used by US convoys

            guys get out and start burying something big next to said road, in a hurry

            Sorry, but if I'm at the controls I drop the hammer on 'em.
            Dr. Mordrid
            ----------------------------
            An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

            I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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            • #7
              Well, in 99% of the cases you may have acted appropriately... But wasn't it an American polititian who said : "I'd rather have 10 criminals free than 1 innocent man locked up" (don't remember the literal quote)?

              Don't get me wrong, I can follow your reasoning, but IMO that 1 percent is still way too much.
              (I guess we will not agree on this.... )

              Jörg
              pixar
              Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow. (James Dean)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GT98 View Post
                The article is more or less a victim of piss poor reporting. The US Military has strict rules of engagement and they aren't just looking for people to pop that just look suspicious
                1. If the report is piss-poor, why quote it here?

                2. Many of the reports quoted here are piss-poor speculation. Is that all that people read?

                3. Don't kid me that rules of engagement are respected. How many Iraqis have been killed because of the colour of their eyes or because they made an obscene gesture?
                Brian (the devil incarnate)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dr Mordrid View Post
                  Lessee...

                  the UAV's patrolling an area where IED's have been used before, basically a combat zone

                  car stops along a road used by US convoys

                  because of a puncture or suchlike

                  guys get out and start burying something big next to said road, in a hurry

                  Burying? Who says anything about burying? They are manhandling the spare wheel.

                  Sorry, but if I'm at the controls I drop the hammer on 'em... and tell the OIC that they were burying a bomb
                  The report does not mention an explosion from an IED

                  Bad report or no, there is no evidence revealed that justifies such an action. Would they have used such vague wordsmithing if there were concrete evidence that these two guys were a danger? I note the original report is copyrighted without an author and is published in a small provincial UK newspaper with no reference to official sources.

                  Samuel Johnson wrote:
                  Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which interest dictates and credulity encourages.
                  The Idler no. 3 (1 November 1758); possibly the source, in essence, of When war is declared, Truth is the first casualty, epigraph to Arthur Ponsonby’s Falsehood in Wartime (1928). In this form, it has been attributed also to Hiram Johnson, speaking in the US Senate, 1918, but is not recorded in his speech
                  Brian (the devil incarnate)

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                  • #10
                    Bad report or no, there is no evidence revealed that justifies such an action

                    1> A statement said that a Hunter unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) successfully killed two "unknown enemies" in Nineveh province after ground troops requested backup.

                    2. The military claims that soldiers identified two potential bombers at a "major thoroughfare" used by coalition troops.


                    Obviously one needs to re-read....
                    Better to let one think you are a fool, than speak and prove it


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