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  • Bionic speech

    All I can say is OH...MY...GOD!!

    CNN link....

    Scientists seek to help 'locked-in' man speak

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- It's been described as the closest thing to being buried alive -- complete paralysis of the body, except for controlled movement of the eyes.

    That's how 24-year-old Erik Ramsey has spent the last eight years of his life. He suffered a brain stem stroke after a car accident when he was 16, leaving him with "locked-in" syndrome.

    This condition is not the same as other forms of paralysis where you feel nothing in the affected areas. Ramsey has 100 percent sensation all over his body. An itch can become excruciating with no way to communicate that he needs it scratched. He has frequent muscle spasms as well, which can be painful.

    "Even sweat rolling down his skin or something, there's nothing he can do about it," said Eddie Ramsey, 57, Erik's father. "So he feels everything in the environment, but there is really just nothing he could do about it."

    Doctors told the Ramseys that their son has no chance of getting better.

    "There's always hope, but a large portion of it is in the category of miracles," said Eddie Ramsey.

    But new research may give Erik Ramsey the miracle he has been waiting for. Dr. Phil Kennedy, chief scientist at Neural Signals Inc., a company he founded to conduct research on the brain and communication. He came up with a revolutionary idea that he believed could turn Ramsey's thoughts into speech.

    He invented an electrode that detects the neural signals in the speech motor area of Ramsey's brain. In December 2004, the electrode was implanted, and Kennedy, along with four independent labs, began decoding the signals in Ramsey's brain. The researchers asked him to think of specific vowel sounds, then mapped his brain activity. By knowing what his brain looked like when he thought each specific sound, scientists could translate the activity into a language that a voice synthesizer could read.

    Dr. Frank Guenther, associate professor of cognitive and neural systems at Boston University, said his lab, one of three others pursuing neural signal translation, had a breakthrough recently: They were able to hear the sounds Ramsey was trying to say using the decoder they built.


    "That was a very exciting moment, where we knew this process of taking neural signals and driving a synthesizer was going to work," Guenther said.

    In the next two months, researchers will hook up the synthesizer. Ramsey will produce his first vowel sounds then. The next phase is getting him to produce consonants, which are much harder to synthesize. Conversations, they say, are still about two years away.

    For Ramsey, this will mean expressing himself beyond just one word answers. The only way he can indicate what he wants is by moving his eyes up for "yes" and down for "no." But even this method only goes so far. He gets so tired that he can answer only about six questions before he has to stop.

    Former Elle magazine editor Jean-Dominque Bauby suffered from the same syndrome and was also able to communicate using only one eye. He wrote about the horror of having locked-in syndrome in his book "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly," which was made into a film released November 30.

    Bauby's writing was an exceedingly slow process. He dictated the book by blinking his left eye when the correct letter was presented to him. He described his mind as a butterfly flying freely inside a diving bell -- a chamber that is placed underwater, trapping the air inside.

    His descriptions of life as a man who is paralyzed and mute gave Eddie Ramsey the first detailed account of what it must be for his son to live with locked-in syndrome.

    "He had to blink that book with one eye," Eddie Ramsey said tearfully. "Had he never done that, no one would ever understand what locked-in means."

    Asked if ever wanted to end his life, Erik Ramsey looked up, his way of saying yes. Asked if he still felt that way, he looked up again.

    But he hasn't lost all hope. Asked if he believes Kennedy's research will allow him to communicate again, he answered "yes."

    Eddie Ramsey thinks so too.
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    "Dr. Kennedy said he believes Erik will be able to speak again either through a voice synthesizer or through some other means. I believe him and I agree with him," he said.

    It may do the same for tens of thousands of people living with Lou Gehrig's disease, muscular dystrophy or even Alzheimer's who have lost their ability to speak.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

  • #2
    So...he wants to kill himself. He wants to communicate and is eager to do so (how is that for "hope not lost" anyway?).

    Hmmm...I wonder what he'll say.
    "Johnny Got His Gun"?

    PS. And I know I'm anal about it (that's probably because society I'm living in is pseudo-christian enough...), but could they also please stop using word "miracle" in this context? Medical miracle would mean, for example, head regrowing. Ever heard about it?
    Last edited by Nowhere; 16 December 2007, 04:48.

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    • #3
      Sheeshhh......"anal" doesn't even begin to describe it.

      For crying out loud, the mans son, who has been non-communicative for years, hears his prayers may have been answered and you think it's something to quibble over how he expresses his feelings? Or that the writer uses it as a segue?

      Besides; the term "medical miracle" wasn't even used in the text, just "miracle" in the sense of the aforementioned answered prayers, so you're projecting.
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 16 December 2007, 05:48.
      Dr. Mordrid
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      An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

      I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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      • #4
        I only added "medical" to narrow the term "miracle", nothing else...specifically because:

        a) IMHO, that is sort of one of the very few cases where miracle can happen in an obvious, non-disputable way (vs. simple scientific advancement, something happenning due to prank of probability or some physical phenomena which we don't understand yet)

        b) those are the most common "miracles" by a long shot

        BTW, do you have any idea how "funny" is the last sentence of your post? What if he's not praying? What if he doesn't believe in any of gods anymore? I didn't even addres this...just wondered if this'll end up in "Johnny Got His Gun" kind of way and expressed my irritation that media are reinforcing old superstitions even when praising PHENOMENAL scientific advancement... (again, mostly because this place is one of the few hardest hit by this in developed world, it seems (if the part of news from other places that reaches me is representative), so I tend to be allergic...)
        Last edited by Nowhere; 16 December 2007, 06:18.

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        • #5
          You're assuming facts not in evidence. Quite to the contrary his use of the term "miracle" would indicate the opposite of your speculation.

          OTOH it could just be you're arguing for arguments sake.
          Dr. Mordrid
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          An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

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          • #6
            Not that much for arguments sake (actually, hmm...come to think of it I believe I only vaguely grasp the original meaning of this expression, so you might be right )...just, as I wrote (two? ) times already, I'm allergic to "miracle-this, miracle-that", sorry, can't help it much

            That wasn't the main point though...just that I wonder (I'm concerned?) how it'll end. Will he change his mind? What will happen next if not? And that sort of speculation, one can go with it much further.

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            • #7
              Think of it this way, miracles do not exist. What some think of as miracles are nothing other than statistics playing to ones benefit (luck), science, good instincts or whatever. There are NO miracles. You can try and turn it around, argue, but to the non bliever, miracles = god and since there's no god, there are no miracles.
              Conclusion, a miracle is an event like any other event, the term miracle is pure subjective perception of said event. Once you understand this concept, anything can be a miracle to just about anyone.
              This post is a miracle, the fact I can type is a miracle, being alive is a miracle. Till science can explain 'life' to religious people in pure and simple layman terms that'll cancel the need of a higher power, anything you say, think or do is a miracle. Enjoy!
              "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."

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              • #8
                What worries me about this "miracle" (whether you have faith or not) is that:
                In the next two months, researchers will hook up the synthesizer. Ramsey will produce his first vowel sounds then. The next phase is getting him to produce consonants, which are much harder to synthesize. Conversations, they say, are still about two years away.
                What if it does not come to pass? There can be no guarantee from the data in the article that the following 2 years work will produce the hoped-for results. If this happens, then the poor bugger will have had his hopes dashed and I could imagine that his suicidal depression will increase exponentially.

                I hope it is a success, but I decry the publication of hypothetical "miracles" which could raise hopes for many, only to have them dashed later. They should wait for concrete results before publication, IMHO.
                Brian (the devil incarnate)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
                  What worries me about this "miracle" (whether you have faith or not) is that:


                  What if it does not come to pass? There can be no guarantee from the data in the article that the following 2 years work will produce the hoped-for results. If this happens, then the poor bugger will have had his hopes dashed and I could imagine that his suicidal depression will increase exponentially.

                  I hope it is a success, but I decry the publication of hypothetical "miracles" which could raise hopes for many, only to have them dashed later. They should wait for concrete results before publication, IMHO.
                  He's a rare case. The media is full of such publications about cancer and HIV, giving false hopes to a lot of people out there.
                  "For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism."

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                  • #10
                    @TransformX (first post specifically): very well put (I'd definatelly rate insightfullnes of that post somewhere in the area of your past answer in the thread about "nazi swimming pool" definatelly)

                    But still, for too many believers it's also "work of god" :|

                    PS. Funnily enough, one of the most rememberable scenes/quotes in current popculture regarding this I've stumbled upon was in BSG...hmm (discussion between chief and cylon priest, around "gods don't answer prayers")

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                    • #11
                      If you're going to have a semantic debate - may as well use a dictionary.

                      mir·a·cle
                      –noun 1. an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
                      2. such an effect or event manifesting or considered as a work of God.
                      3. a wonder; marvel.
                      4. a wonderful or surpassing example of some quality: a miracle of modern acoustics.
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