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  • Arctic data: today not warm

    Hmmm......

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    New research reveals the Arctic Circle cooling over the longterm

    Researcher Håkan Grudd used tree proxy data to reconstruct the temperature record of Torneträsk, deep inside the Arctic Circle. Sampling was done on Scots pines, which have grown in the region for millenia, allowing for reconstruction of a continuous record.

    Grudd, of Stockholm University's Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, compared both tree ring width and maximum density, to construct the most accurate data yet seen for the region. He found a sharp warming trend since the year 1900. However, over the entire period, several such warming events were seen with temperatures in at least four periods (AD 750, 1000, 1400, and 1750) all equally warm or warmer than at present.

    Most surprising of all, he noted, when taken as a whole temperatures in the Arctic have actually declined 0.3 degrees over the past 1,000 years. As Grudd himself says, temperatures at present are "not especially warm."

    The full temperature record also reveals why the last 100 years has appeared unusual -- the year 1900 was actually the coldest of the entire period.


    According to Grudd, the Torneträsk data aligns well with ice core isotope records from Greenland, demonstrating these climate changes were widespread throughout the Arctic region.

    Grudd's results contradict his earlier reconstructions of Arctic temperatures, which demonstrated significantly cooler temperatures prior to 1900. The difference, he claims, is due to more accurate scanning of samples, along with a better understanding of how tree ring widths and density respond to temperature changes.

    Text of the full paper can be found here. The work is forthcoming in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics.
    Paper (PDF)....

    Abstract:

    This paper presents updated tree-ring width (TRW) and maximum density (MXD) from Tornetra¨sk in northern Sweden, now covering the period AD 500–2004. By including data from relatively young trees for the most recent period, a previously noted decline in recent MXD is eliminated. Non-climatological growth trends in the data are removed using Regional Curve Standardization (RCS), thus producingTRWandMXDchronologies with preserved lowfrequency variability. The chronologies are calibrated using local and regional instrumental climate records. A bootstrapped response function analysis using regional climate data shows that tree growth is forced by April–August temperatures and that the regression weights for MXD are much stronger than for TRW. The robustness of the reconstruction equation is verified by independent temperature data and shows that 63–64% of the instrumental inter-annual variation is captured by the tree-ring data.

    This is a significant improvement compared to previously published reconstructions based on tree-ring data from Tornetra¨sk. A divergence phenomenon around AD 1800, expressed as an increase in TRW that is not paralleled by temperature and MXD, is most likely an effect of major changes in the density of the pine population at this northern tree-line site. The bias introduced by this TRW phenomenon is assessed by producing a summer temperature reconstruction based onMXD exclusively. The new data show generally higher temperature estimates than previous reconstructions based on Tornetra¨sk tree-ring data. The late-twentieth century, however, is not exceptionally warm in the new record: On decadal-to-centennial timescales, periods around AD 750, 1000, 1400, and 1750 were equally warm, or warmer. The 200-year long warm period centered on AD 1000 was significantly warmer than the late-twentieth century (p\0.05) and is supported by other local and regional paleoclimate data. The new tree-ring evidence from Tornetra¨sk suggests that this ‘‘Medieval WarmPeriod’’ in northern Fennoscandia was much warmer than previously recognized.
    Dr. Mordrid
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  • #2
    Uh-oh! I smell Brian coming in with a snappy rejoinder!
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    • #3
      *sigh*

      Probably inevitable.
      Dr. Mordrid
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      • #4
        You forgot to mention that the Antarctic is cooling as well (which it is). Unfortunately, the edges of the ice shelves are warming and the glaciers are retreating in most places and it's these that matter!

        (So as not to disappoint you!)
        Brian (the devil incarnate)

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        • #5
          Ice accumulates inland and pushes the much lower shelfs off into the sea.

          Nothing new there, save for those who think it's new
          Dr. Mordrid
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          • #6
            Slip sliding away

            sorry, couldn't resist.

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            • #7
              Actually, it has gotten much warmer over the last 20 years.

              The problem is the garbage science that is pinning it solely on us humans in the "Show some remorse, you damn sinners" style
              If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Technoid View Post
                Actually, it has gotten much warmer over the last 20 years.

                The problem is the garbage science that is pinning it solely on us humans in the "Show some remorse, you damn sinners" style

                This is entirely true. I think that Brian sometimes gets his knickers in a twist thinking that the rest of us are global warming deniers.

                I absolutely think we're polluting the planet, and contributing to global warming. But what needs to happen is for more REAL science to make its way to the forefront, because until that happens, the Republicans can just keep going "hey that's junk science" and trot out hard data like this that shows that we're actually in a cool trend.
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                I would still get screwed

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gurm View Post
                  This is entirely true. I think that Brian sometimes gets his knickers in a twist thinking that the rest of us are global warming deniers.

                  I absolutely think we're polluting the planet, and contributing to global warming. But what needs to happen is for more REAL science to make its way to the forefront, because until that happens, the Republicans can just keep going "hey that's junk science" and trot out hard data like this that shows that we're actually in a cool trend.
                  The problem is that Rome wasn't built in a day and the Huns/Visigoths attacking it slowed down the construction. If we didn't have idiot politicians (like Gore, Blair, Bush, most of the Greenpeace, Sierra, FoE etc. crowds and so on) sticking their big nebs in, we could get down to improving our scientific knowledge a lot faster and then using it towards perfecting the science, which is already fairly well advanced.

                  The whole point is that most people think "global warming". This was an unfortunate term coined decades ago but which stuck in the public imagination. The IPCC is NOT the IPGW. The operative phrase is "climate change". Whereas the global average temperature is slowly rising, there are areas where it is rising more rapidly and areas, like round the poles, where it is cooling. The climate is changing in most places. "Climate" includes precipitation, winds, humidity, barometric pressure, etc., as well as temperature. These are all evolving. in one way or another. But "global warming" looks at only a single variable, which is possibly the most evident to Joe Public but is not necessarily the most important. They all have to be holistically taken together to get the picture and this means the negative and the positive. Excuse me while I re-adjust the clothing below the waist.
                  Brian (the devil incarnate)

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                  • #10
                    Live in Winnipeg during the Winter months. You will PRAY for global warming.
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                    • #11
                      Winnipeg hell, MICHIGAN. We get those damned Alberta Clippers
                      Dr. Mordrid
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                      • #12
                        Bah.

                        Winnipeg lies exposed to numerous weather systems including bitterly cold Arctic high pressure systems during the winter months, although people who live in Winnipeg claim their city's dry winter cold is more pleasant than the damper cold in Toronto. According to Environment Canada, Winnipeg is the coldest city in the world with a population of over 600,000.[21] The coldest temperature during the last 25 years was -41.7 °C (-43.1 °F) on February 5, 2007 [22] The coldest wind chill reading ever recorded was -57.1 °C (-70.8 °F) on February 1, 1996.

                        Spring and fall tend to be rather contracted seasons, each averaging little over six weeks. In general the weather during these seasons is highly variable, and rapidly changing. For example, temperatures in Winnipeg in October have ranged from -20.6 °C (-5.1 °F) to 30.5 °C (86.9 °F), and in May from -11.7 °C (10.9 °F) to 37.8 °C (100 °F).
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                        • #13
                          We get the wet/cold somewhat like Toronto but our winds are like Chicago's, AKA "The Hawk", and they make our wind chills horrid. It's an effect of being in the midst of the Great Lakes.

                          The coldest temp ever in Michigan was at Vanderbilt: -51°F (-46°C), not counting wind chill.

                          I can remember wind chills being reported on Detroit TV channels as low as -76°F (-60°C).
                          Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 20 February 2008, 04:47.
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