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    Inside The Magic Box -- How Coskata Will Deliver $1/Gallon Ethanol


    Coskata's Warrenville, IL. test lab is unlike any in the world, and has a one-of-a-kind automated guided evolution lab. Coskata would not let us take pictures on-site due to the abundance of proprietary technology, but they courteously provided us with images.

    Coskata researchers fine tune pressure, temperature and other factors to make sure their microbes have ideal living conditions.

    Coskata has already constructed a mobile pilot plant, shown here in a rendering. It will soon begin construction on its first full commercial plant, which will open in 2011, and produce 50-60M gallons of ethanol at less than $1/gallon.

    DailyTech got an exclusive peek at the inner workings of Coskata and while there's no sure deals in business, they're pretty convincing

    In January, GM announced that it was buying an undisclosed stake in ethanol startup Coskata and partnering with the company to help achieve its vision of a fossil-fuel-free future. At the time many people were confused -- who was this little company? And how did they hope to achieve their vision of making cellulosic ethanol from non food-based sources on a commercial scale, at a time when all commercial production was from sugar crops? And most of all, how would they achieve their biggest claim -- $1/gallon production cost ethanol?

    At the third annual Platts Cellulosic Ethanol and Biofuels conference we encountered a different Coskata -- a more mature company that is now poised to become an industry leader thanks to the foundation of hard research it laid.

    Coskata was among the first to present at the conference and made few friends among its ethanol producer competitors. Chief Marketing Officer put on a presentation in which he laid out the differences between Coskata's method and alternative cellulosic ethanol methods, which require either expensive pretreatment or even more expensive enzymes. The irony was not lost when the various competitors that followed bemoaned the high costs of enzymes and pretreatment.

    Coskata's process has the potential to revolutionize the industry, because it's unique. We got to take a look at this process first-hand when we toured Coskata's 30,000+ sq. ft state-of-the-art research facility in Warrenville, IL. With no pretreatment, carbon containing materials are put into a gasification chamber, where they're exposed to a plasma torch at 20,000 F, as hot as the surface of the sun. Clean gas leaves the reactor. Sulfur is harvested for later use, and halogen gases are also collected for resale. The leftover slag is inert and is an ideal brick or highway material.

    From the gasification chamber, pure carbon-bearing gas flows into a reactor. Inside the reactor specially bred microbes live, or "bugs" as Mr. Bolsen affectionately refers to the little critters as. The microbes are derived from 5 different original lines from Oklahoma State University and Oklahoma University. The bugs live in special reactors. Mr. Bolsen showed off two of the proprietary designs -- a still and then a membrane tube reactor filled with thin filaments. Coskata plans on deploying both, possibly, as both work great. Inside the reactor the food gas is converted to pure ethanol, releasing at 99.7 percent purity. The process entirely eliminates enzymes and the need to go through complex purification for the resulting product.

    Coskata now estimates that its ethanol will cost less than $1/gallon to produce, easily beating the DOE long range target of $1.25 a gallon. By Coskata's estimates, this trumps chemical approaches which at best cost between $1.25-$2.50/gallon with current tech and enzymatic approaches which current cost between $2-$5/gallon. Best of all their process yields 100 gallons/dry ton of material and only requires a gallon of water per gallon of gas.

    Coskata's estimates their approach reduces greenhouse gas emissions by as much as 96 percent from well (trees/grass/waste) to wheels (GREET analysis), including all energy costs. These numbers come from a study on Coskata's wood-based fuel production, performed by U.S. government Department of Energy Scientist Dr. Michael Wang, at one of the country's top labs -- Argonne National Laboratories. Assuming this the analysis looked at pure ethanol, and factoring in the low energy content of ethanol and a E85 blending with gas, DailyTech estimates that Coskata may be able delivering E85 that produces 60-70% less emissions than fossil fuels. This may be a bit conservative as power generation from the steam byproducts of ethanol production may save even more emissions.

    With such promising tech, Coskata is looking to aggressively bring the tech to market. It plans to both build its own plants and license its reactor and microbe technology to various locations. Construction on the first full scale plant will begin likely late this year or early next, according to Coskata. The plant will produce 50-60M gallon/yr. Sources say that the plant may be located in the Southeast U.S. The exact location is still up in the air as several competitors have competing proposals. The first plant will most likely be fueled by wood waste as an energy source. The plant will consume approximately 500,000 dry tons of material yearly.

    Mr. Bolsen indicated that while the Renewable Fuel Standards set in place by recent legislation help his company, Coskata is likely to be able to succeed with or without tax credits. This will be difficult for some of the other second generation ethanol companies, according to Mr. Bolsen.

    Mr. Bolsen, in an exclusive interview with DailyTech, stated, "Coskata would look to be viable without subsidies. But it would be unbelievably detrimental to scrap the energy credits. (Still) If we can make (ethanol) 50 cents less at the pump than gasoline, consumers are going to demand it."

    The real key to Coskata's magic is their state-of-the-art guided evolution facility. Coskata has invested in a robotic system unlike any in the world, thanks to its hiring of several of the world's top microbial geneticists. The fully automated facility tests over 150,000 strands of bugs a year and is so top secret, that we could not even enter it during the tour. It has allowed Coskata's bugs to advance beyond those of any other ethanol producer in efficiency.

    As Coskata aggressively advances, it really is looking better and better. It has been working to develop partnerships in South America and China as well as a wealth of domestic offers in the U.S. It is looking to build and license facilities to process everything from wood to trash into cheap fuel. Meanwhile Coskata's microbes keep getting more and more efficient -- and that's without easy genetic modifications that could improve yields (Coskata's bugs are currently non-GMO).

    Mr. Bolsen envisions a future where Coskata delivers updated microbes regularly to partners, like Microsoft delivers software patches. And with a solid infrastructure in place and commercialization in place, it seems they can do it and accomplish the seemingly impossible -- bring cheap commercial scale alternative fuels to the masses within the very near future.
    Dr. Mordrid
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  • #2
    This tries to make it sound like fuel can drop to $1/gallon.
    Most vehicles on the road today cannot tolerate more than 10-15% ethanol.
    And that $1/gal is what it costs to produce....not the $3-4 it would cost the end consumer after markups.

    It costs them $1/gal to PRODUCE. They then sell it for ~2$/gal to the oil companies....mixed in with 90% fossil fuel. Then it gets marked up to the gas stations, who then mark it up almost nothing to the end consumer (gas stations make their $ on ciggs and beer, not the gas they sell)

    Yes, it could make for a marginal savings in end user costs, and even be more evironmentaly friendly, but it's not going to save Joe Public $$ near what they are trying to promote here.

    I'm all for alternative fuel sources, and their potential for the future. But lets not try to glorify and promote these sources with misinformation about saving the end consumer 75% on fuel today or next year, or 10 years from now.
    Maybe if...IF... E85 takes hold, and in 10-15 years the majority of vehicles run on ethanol based fuel, it will make a difference.

    For TODAY, and the near future, this doesn't really mean all that much...
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    • #3
      You underestimate the number of E-85 Flex-Fuel capable vehicles (FFV's) out there - we have two and we have tons of stations offering E-85 and more opening every week. I can count 15 E-85 retailers within 6 miles off the top of my head, though there's probably more.

      Last I checked it was going for < $2.40 a gallon, and no small part of that being the 15% - 30% (winter mix) gasoline in the blend. Still a bit high at that price though it's falling like a rock. Might get cheap enough we can quit making our own which is an E-95 blend, and the Chryslers run great on it. Fact is they run smoother on the E-85/E-95 than they do gas. Even Margie notices it.

      Just a few of the vehicles that can run on it;

      Chevrolet
      Avalanche, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe (all 2007 and 2008 models, some 2002–2006), Impala 2006 and later 3.5L, Monte Carlo 2006 and later 3.5L, S-10 Pickup, GMC Sierra, Yukon, Yukon XL, HHR, Impala, Police Impala and Malibu; Pontiac Lucerne, Pontiac G6;

      2009's: HHR 2.2L, Buick Lucerne 3.9L, Cadillac Escalade 6.2L, Chevy Impala 3.5L and 3.9L, Chevy Express 5.3L, Silverado 5.3L and 6.2L, Avalanche 5.3L, Suburban 5.3L, Tahhoe 5.3L, Vans 5.3L, Yukon 5.3L, Sierra 5.3L, Savanna and Savanna Cargo Van 5.3L, Hummer H2 6.2L and Yukon 5.3L

      Chrysler Sebring, Chrysler Town & Country, Chrysler Aspen, Dodge Caravan, Durango, Grand Caravan, Ram Pickup, Stratus, Avenger, Dodge Dakota, 4.7L Jeep Commander, Jeep Grand Cherokee;

      2009's: Aspen 4.7L, Aspen 4.7L, Town & Country 3.3L, Avenger 2.7L, Durango 4.7L, Jeep Commander 4.7L, Grand Cherokee 4.7L, Sebring Sedan 2.7L, Caravan 3.3L, Ram Pickup 4.7L, Dakota Pickup 4.7L

      Ford Crown Victoria, 2006 F-150, 1999–2000 Ranger, Grand Marquis, 1999–2001 Taurus, 2002–2004 3.0L Taurus sedan and wagon, 2004–2005 3.0L Taurus sedan and wagon (2-valve), Sport Trac XLT, Mercury Grand Marquis, Mercury Mountaineer, Lincoln Town Car, Mercury Sable;

      2009's: Crown Victoria 4.6L, Grand Marquis 4.6L, Lincoln Town Car 4.6L, E-series vans & wagons 5.4L, Expedition 5.4L

      Toyota Sequioa 5.7L, Tundra 5.7L

      Mercedes-Benz C-Class: W204 platform: C300 RWD automatic 3.0L (2008); W203 platform: C230 2.5L (2007), C240 2.6L RWD automatic (2005), C320 3.2L (2003–2005);

      2009: Mercedes-Benz C300 3.0L

      Isuzu Hombre

      Mazda B3000 (1999, 2001–2002 models),

      Nissan Titan 5.6L, Armada 5.6L
      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 14 October 2008, 22:07.
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      • #4
        That impressive list of vehicles are practically all gas guzzlers which are out of fashion.

        I'm somewhat sceptical about the $1/gal manufacturing costs. The article mentions gasification and distillation, both extremely energy-intensive processes. If the energy is obtained from the process itself, it means the EROEI will be much less than unity. The distillation has "steam by-products", meaning that the energy must be sufficient to provide the latent heat of vapourisation of water. Also, the article has a number of scientific idiocies, but that is probably from the pen of a stupid journalist misinterpreting what he is told.

        I'll believe it when it happens, not a day before.
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        • #5
          To make a new vehicle E-85 capable is nothing. But many (if not most) people can't afford new cars. We're going to have to wait years for them to trickle down into the mainstream of used (pre-owned) vehicles before they come anywhere close to being a majority.

          And you're over-estimating the number of E85 fueing stations out there.
          So, what good is it if most ppl can't even buy the fuel?

          You happen to be in the one part of the country where there is a lot of E85 stations. Most of the country is not there yet. In Colorado, we have 34 total stations in the entire state. California has 7...Yes, SEVEN in all of CA. 10 states have none at all. Only 10 states have more than 40 stations. Over 20 states have less than 10 stations.
          It's going to take years to build up that infrastructure...if the entire industry doesn't choose a different direction, and abandon E85 before then.

          Remember the 80's, when there was a short fad of converting vehicles to run on propane? They still do this in Europe...but when was the last time you saw a propane powered passenger vehicle in this country? E-85 could easily go that same way.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kruzin View Post
            ...but when was the last time you saw a propane powered passenger vehicle in this country?
            Today, last week and for weeks and years before that. Several of the Meijers hypermarkets around here have dispensers and there are more than enough vehicles to keep them busy. Also several at other retail locations, 3 of them within 10 miles of us. There are also many, many cities who are converting their municipal vehicles to propane - Michigan, Ohio, the southern states and elsewhere in the midwest.
            Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 15 October 2008, 16:10.
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            • #7
              None of that stuff exists here in MA. The only time I've seen a propane powered vehicle is the shuttle busses at airports.

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              • #8
                What with oil shocks starting years ago some cities found themselves parking crewed police cars while waiting for the dispatcher to send them on a call vs. going on active patrols. Quite a few got the message and conversions commenced, accelerating with this latest oil spike. Police, ambulances, city vehicles (ordinance, management, maintenance etc.) were first on the list.

                Most of these vehicles can run on either gas (some flex-fuel) or propane, adding flexibility. We also hear a lot about using biodiesel for the heavy vehicles.

                Midwestern pragmatism?
                Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 15 October 2008, 20:02.
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