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  • GISS/IPCC temps bogus?

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    A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

    This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

    So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

    The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

    A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.

    If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

    Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

    Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

    Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.
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    • #3
      Do you really think that an error, even a serious one, over 1 month and over a small fraction of the globe is going to make a significant difference to climate calculations integrated globally over 30 years? You need to keep a sense of proportion. As I've said many times, weather is not climate and this error is in weather reporting and, even if allowed to pass without correction, would hardly make a noticeable blip even with short term (say 1 year) global integration.

      It is clear that your quote is from some anti-climate change vested interest source. The fact that it denigrates Dr Pachauri by implication is proof enough. It is true that he has no formal qualification in climate science, but he has been working on energy resource economics for three decades (his two PhDs, from a good American University are in economics and industrial energy engineering). You will not find his name attached to any of the IPCC reports as co-author. And I didn't realise that the IPCC had to be chaired by an atmospheric scientist, when the whole subject is so polyvalent that there must be experts from at least 20 or 30 disciplines working for the Panel. The article implies that every chairman has to be an expert on all the many subjects of his committee, rather than an administrator. Just think how many Congressional committee chairman have any experience of the subject that the committee sits on. In fact, some senators chair many committees; are they experts in the subjects with doctorates, or even a master's?

      The phrase "...since 2007 have dropped" is risible and demonstrates the total lack of knowledge of the meaning of climate on the part of the anonymous author. If you take him at face value, in just 11 months, we have gone into a phase of climate-changing global cooling.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cjolley View Post
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        • #5
          sigh...



          Category: Global Warming
          Posted on: November 16, 2008 1:46 PM, by Tim Lambert
          It was entirely predictable that the denialists would hype up the glitch in the surface temperature record for last month. This opinion piece by Christopher Booker was picked up by Drudge, so the usual collection of global warming denialists have been fulminating about how this proves you can't trust the science. For example, at the Discovery Institute
          But computer modeling is not pure science and at its best it is only as good as the information programed into it. That is true for wild claims made for computer models of evolution and it is true of climate modeling.
          While all of this was predictable, it is still interesting to see exactly how Booker misrepresented what happened. Watch Booker spin:
          A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming.
          Surreal? Some numbers ended up in the wrong column in a table. And the error was quickly detected and corrected. This should increase your confidence in the data, not raise a "huge question mark".
          On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.
          This is a fabrication. GISS made no such announcement.
          This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.
          Grossly misleading. Just because there was some cold weather in some places, it does not follow that October was a cold month globally. In fact, and this is a fact that is mysteriously absent from Booker's piece, after correcting the error October was the fifth warmest October on record. All the error did was move it up four places.
          Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.
          Another fabrication. Hansen made no such claim.
          Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.
          As someone who was in that audience, I can say that I was not startled, because the graph was accurate and had already appeared in the IPCC report. Nor did I notice anyone else there being startled.

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          • #6


            No one takes the Daily Telegraph seriously. It is a reactionary, ultra-conservative, rag, full of agendas, vested interests and misconceptions. And whatt are the climate qualifications of the author?
            Brian (the devil incarnate)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post


              No one takes the Daily Telegraph seriously. It is a reactionary, ultra-conservative, rag, full of agendas, vested interests and misconceptions. And whatt are the climate qualifications of the author?

              History claims Greenland used to be green. What are your historical, archaeological and whatever qualifications to come and claim that the world is abnormally hot when Greenland isn't green yet?

              I say no to pollution, and with the same breath, no to the green wash. Global warming, existing or not is a natural thing, just like the ice age. I say burn some more petrol till it's all gone and give the corn to the hungry instead of burning food to fuel your car.

              Say, when that kid rose up and cried that the king was naked, did you ask for his fashion qualifications too?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by TransformX View Post
                History claims Greenland used to be green. What are your historical, archaeological and whatever qualifications to come and claim that the world is abnormally hot when Greenland isn't green yet?
                Or hot about the receding glaciers, where underneath they found warm-weather settlements? Not "up against the glacier" settlements, but warm weather camps. Turns out that entire area used to be well below the frost line. But, but, but! It's warmer than EVER, right? RIGHT?

                ...

                Brian, c'mon. You're a scientist, or at least I think you are! You know that when a study has been done based on bogus data, you throw out ALL the data and start over. Now we're hearing that an agency responsible for tracking GLOBAL climate admits that they don't collect their own data, and that they just assume that whatever they're handed is true? And base their data on that? Even if this was the ONLY mistake, it still invalidates ALL their recent data - and may invalidate all their data PERIOD.

                Time to start resampling.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gurm View Post
                  Time to start resampling.
                  Which is exactly what they did.

                  In my own weather station, which is of prosumer quality, there are samples of temperature, dewpoint, wind speed, wind direction, precipitation and barometric pressure, 6 variables, taken every second. That is 518,400 measurements per day. The professional METAR aviation stations, which are used for collecting much (about 15%) of the data used (some of them add solar visible light and UV radiation, as well), do pretty much the same. There are >7000 METAR stations globally, so we are talking about more than 3 billion items of data/day. Then there are thousands of GWS, SYNOP and each country has national (e.g., NOAA) sites. Even a small country, such as this one, has >120 national weather sites (not all variables are measured at each). You will therefore appreciate that there are at least a trillion items of data to be crunched daily throughout the world. In my case, if you look at http://www.cypenv.org/weather/index.php, you will see published data updated every 10 minutes and the forecast 3 times/day + the data from the 4 METAR stations on the island at 30 or 60 minute intervals. All this is heavily number-crunched and averaged.

                  The point is that errors do exist. These can be due to a station malfunctioning, measurement tolerances, siting problems, micro-weather anomalies (e.g., a dust devil flying through the anemometer, or a local thunderstorm pushing up the pluviometry and the dewpoint), software anomalies, computer glitches, communication problems, human error (such as the one cited) etc. A fairly common one that happens with METAR stations is when a helicopter flies too close to the weather station.

                  I can only guess from my own experience, but I see 1 or 2 anomalies/month and this is out of 15+ million measurements, so you can see that, averaged, the accuracy is high. Climate calculations usually have a 30 year averaging integration.

                  Without specifically intending the pun, this whole affair is a storm in a teacup and, as the data has now been corrected, is literally of no consequence.
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                  • #10
                    Didn't really want to start new thread/ask this in current climate-related one...this would just worsen the "flames" (well, not really flames...but some people already made their minds/have strong opinions about the issue), especially regarding the question...

                    However, Brain...you've disabled PMs and your old e-mail adress doesn't work anymore/returns error

                    With that in mind...

                    "What is the time for levels of CO2, after injection of a large portion of it that was emitted by us so far, to return to pre-industrial levels??

                    I stumbled, while reading wiki, on some estimates regarding the question...however by searching further I discovered that there's a bit of conflicting info on the net - many estimates say about "several hundred years", but I've found sizable number of other about "tens of thousands" (up to 100 000 apparently)...

                    I'm a bit afraid to search even further due to the risk of falling, again, to wiki syndrome ( http://xkcd.com/214/ ), so I wonder if you could help me with this one...what is the generally accepted scientific consensus regarding the time it will take for CO2 emitted by us so far to disappear from the atmosphere?


                    edit: Basically...it seems IPCC accepted recently new model of carbon cycle, with "long tail"?...
                    Last edited by Nowhere; 19 November 2008, 08:54.

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                    • #11
                      The atmospheric residence times of CO2 are very variable, depending on the rainfall, vegetation, sunlight, whether over land or sea etc. I don't have the exact mini/maxi figures at my fingertips, but I think, if my memory is good, it is between about 25 and 500 years. 300 years is sometimes quoted for reasonable restoration, but I would have to look it up to give you a better figure and I don't have time today. It is shorter in the southern hemisphere than the northern.

                      The figure is the time taken for an emission to reach 1/e of its initial mass.

                      Being an exponential decay, it is asymptotic to zero, so an emission today would be negligible in the 10,000 y timeframe.

                      OTOH, other greenhouse gases, notably SF6, CF4 and other PFCs are so stable, that an ART of 10,000 y++ is correct, but not CO2 or CH4, which has an ART of 10s of years.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
                        The point is that errors do exist. These can be due to a station malfunctioning, measurement tolerances, siting problems, micro-weather anomalies (e.g., a dust devil flying through the anemometer, or a local thunderstorm pushing up the pluviometry and the dewpoint), software anomalies, computer glitches, communication problems, human error (such as the one cited) etc. A fairly common one that happens with METAR stations is when a helicopter flies too close to the weather station.
                        What exactly are the rules of where weather stations should be located, that are reporting to the agencies that are tracking such statistics?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TransformX View Post
                          History claims Greenland used to be green.
                          No, not really. The last time Greenland was truly green was likely before written history.

                          How Greenland got its name mainly depends on which legend you believe. According to Viking legend and history Greenland and Iceland were purposefully named that way to trick people into going to Greenland. The logic was that once they saw how cold and icy Greenland was they would think, "If this is Greenland, Iceland must be worse." and not settle in the (relatively) green lands of Iceland. That or some say it was used as a trick to get more followers to join some Viking cheif.

                          Another legend, and possibley closer to the truth, is that the first Viking to reach Iceland arrived during a period when there were a lot of icebergs around the island and named it after that (an ice land), while the first Vikings to reach Greenland arrived in the summer when there was actually some green by the southern shores.

                          There are other variations and tales, but those are the predominate ones.
                          Last edited by Jammrock; 19 November 2008, 15:30.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SitFlyer View Post
                            What exactly are the rules of where weather stations should be located, that are reporting to the agencies that are tracking such statistics?
                            Well, obviously, the METAR stations are on airfields and the buoy stations are in the ocean. Less obvious are those run by municipalities. Almost inevitably, they were originally ones that were easy of access, as the most automated they were was an ink line on a strip of paper and somebody had to go there thrice a day to read the data. For example, the Meteorological Office in London had one on the roof of the building (tradition has it there was a lion there that fed itself on the meteorologists who came to read the data and nobody noticed when they went missing! ). The main London one today is in the middle of Kew Gardens, a massive Botanical Garden, well away from buildings. At that time, there was no compensation for what we now call urban island effect, so there was a possibility that those temperature readings were a tad too high. Nowadays, urban stations have automatic offsets for errors, so they should show slightly lower temps etc.

                            With the advent of automated systems (often backed up by manual ones in the larger installations, the WMO have issued directives as to how, why, where etc. For example, they have to be at least so far (I think 30 m) from any building or tree. The anemometer has to be at 10 m over ground level, The Stephenson screen housing temp and humidity sensors has to be sited 1.5 m above ground, which should have the local natural vegetation, cut to less than 30 cm high. The barometric sensor should be calibrated to sea level according to a formula etc. Pluviometers have to be of a viven size and shape,, 30 cm above ground level. These rules also apply now to METAR stations, which were often, in the past, on the control towers. Probably 60% of the stations throughout the world conform to these rules.

                            Many municipalities with old, non-conforming, stations have built new ones that do conform and they compare old and new. This is very difficult and is often relatively meaningless. For example, you could erect two conforming anemometers 5 m apart. There would be little difference in the results with sustained winds but with light, gusty winds, they would never give the same results.For example, as I write, my anemometer shows an average (2 min integration) wind speed of 2.1 m/s, but over the past 5 minutes has varied from 0 to 7.6 m/s and the direction has oscillated between 320° and 15°. Such wide swings are very variable locally under these conditions: that is weather!

                            You may be interested to know that data from doubtful installations is often weighted down. For example, if a municipality has an old urban and a modern station, the old one is either ignored or its data is considered less reliable, but is retained for historical reasons but has a lower reliability factor.

                            However, much of the important data nowadays comes from satellite and radiosonde balloons, both of which are exempt from local effects.

                            Hope this helps.

                            PS, my station does not conform exactly to the rules, as my anemometer is only 6 m (weighted with a factor to convert to 10 m) up and is less than 30 m from my house.
                            Brian (the devil incarnate)

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