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  • Goodbye embryonic stem cells?

    Scientific American article Link....

    Turning Back the Cellular Clock: A Farewell to Embryonic Stem Cells?

    When historians chronicle the stem cell research wars, Shinya Yamanaka will likely go down as a peacemaker. The Japanese scientist has helped send the field on a surprising end run around the moral debate surrounding embryonic stem cells, the creation of which requires the destruction of embryos. Last year Yamanaka led one of two teams that showed that normal human skin cells can be genetically reprogrammed into the equivalent of stem cells. These so-called induced pluripotent stem cells (iPS cells) seem to be essentially identical to embryonic stem cells and possess the ability to become any cell.

    The 46-year-old Yamanaka is a clean-cut, almost military figure. His small office in an aging wing of Kyoto University’s Institute for Frontier Medical Sciences is spotlessly tidy, with nothing to mark his achievement in producing iPS cells. A Nobel Prize may one day adorn his shelf space. As Yamanaka glances around, he remarks, “About 10 meters beneath us is a room that I have never entered. I’m not allowed to enter because I don’t have permission from the government. It contains the only stem cells derived from human embryos in the country.”

    Though permissive in spirit, Japan in practice imposes strict rules on the production and (unlike in the U.S.) the use of stem cells derived from human embryos. Researchers can spend up to a year in paperwork submissions before gaining access to them.

    It was Japan’s rule-bound, often stifling scientific culture that made Yamanaka an accidental pioneer. Originally an orthopedic surgeon in Osaka, he decided in the mid-1990s to do postdoctoral work on genetic reprogramming of cancer-related genes in mice at San Francisco’s Gladstone Institute of Cardiovascular Disease. There he found ready access to existing lines of embryonic stem cells, as well as an environment with solid funding and exchanges among leading researchers worldwide. At home, though, he went into a funk. “When I went back to Japan, I lost all those stimuli,” Yamanaka recalls. “I had only a little funding and a few good scientists around me, and I had to take care of almost 1,000 mice by myself.”

    Fighting despair, he was about to quit and return to surgery. But two things galvanized him to continue: an invitation to head a small lab at the Nara Institute of Science and Technology and the creation of the first generation of human embryonic stem cells, which was made by the University of Wisconsin–Madison’s James A. Thomson (who last year led the other team that produced human iPS cells).

    After Thomson’s achievement in isolating embryonic stem cells, many researchers began trying to control the differentiation of those cells into specific cell types that might replace diseased or damaged tissues, thereby revolutionizing clinical care. “That was too competitive for our small lab,” Yamanaka recounts, “so I thought I should do the opposite—instead of making embryonic stem cells into something, I would make embryonic stem cells from something else.” From Ian Wilmut’s success in cloning animals such as Dolly the sheep, he says, “we knew that even completely differentiated cells can go back to an embryonic-like status. But we also thought it would be a very, very long project,” one that might take 20 or 30 years.

    It took fewer than 10. Yamanaka became highly motivated to solve two main problems surrounding embryonic stem cells. One was their source. He tells of visiting a friend’s fertility lab and observing early embryos under a microscope. The sight of fragile, nascent life moved him, although he emphasizes that he is not against using embryonic cells “to save patients.” The other problem is the threat of immune rejection if cells derived from an embryo are transplanted into a person. Differentiated cells created from a patient’s iPS cells would pose no such danger.
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    Cool! Now we can go back to throwing the embryos into the furnace!

    ...

    No, seriously. That's what they do with them if they aren't used for stem cells. So much for the "right-to-life" movement.
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    • #3
      And by the time this method is perfected, how many years will pass from the time when stem cells derived from embryos could be readily used for research which is more about future treatments themselves vs. figuring out a way to obtain stem cells?

      How many people will die/not live to see mind uploading ( ) because of that delay?

      Yeah, "right-to-life"...

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      • #4
        "Adult"pluripotent cells made from patient tissues already make up the vast majority of stem cell treatments, the latest developments just make the process easier in that replication speed is faster and more cell types can be used as sources.

        Problem with the embryonic cells is that they're OK for research, but in humans they very frequently cause cancer or are rejected. Not the results most people are looking for

        Not the case when the patients own cells are re-programmed.
        Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 3 December 2008, 12:56.
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        • #5
          Sure, I recognise that patient-dervied stem cells are much better thanks to the same DNA. I was specifically hinting at the possibility that research could be further at this point if some people wouldn't make such a big deal out of embryo-derived stem cells (which, as you said, "are OK for research").

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          • #6
            I agree on the inferiority of embryonic stem cells in light of adult stem cells. However, my point is that the embryos were going in the furnace ANYWAY.

            When a couple gets implantation, a few embryos are used. Most of them spontaneously abort - in fact, it's expected that 75% will spontaneously abort. That's murder, right? KNOWINGLY implanting an embryo that you KNOW will die?

            Then after the couple gets pregnant and decides they're done, the rest of the embryos are burned. Not turned into babies, not safely stored, but BURNED.

            And that's what the right-to-lifers just don't get.

            It's like when the animal lab across from my wife's work was raided a few years back by animal activists. These activists turned the animals loose. Didn't take them to shelters, didn't give them homes, but TURNED THEM LOOSE IN THE WOODS.

            The puppies? 90% were dead by morning. The rest were found huddled, dirty, in fear, and starving, a day later.

            Activists of all kinds are immune to knowledge, are immune to science. They just BELIEVE things. Y'know, kind of like President Bush. He doesn't THINK, he just BELIEVES.
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