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  • One-way trip to Mars?

    So asks Dr. Larry Krauss in the NY Times..... (author of The Physics Of Star Trek)

    Personally I feel his radiation concerns are a bit overwrought. Groups in both the US and UK are actively working on an artificial magnetosphere for spacecraft, habitats like Bieglow's have a significant shielding capability (water blankets, huge amounts of hydrogen containing polymers in its >16 inch thick walls etc.) and other such improvements on the art. That plus the VASIMR plasma drive could cut the trip from a year or more to as little as a month, and a 200 kW version of it goes up to the ISS for testing as an orbital re-boost thruster within the next 2 years.

    A One-Way Ticket to Mars

    NOW that the hype surrounding the 40th anniversary of the Moon landings has come and gone, we are faced with the grim reality that if we want to send humans back to the Moon the investment is likely to run in excess of $150 billion. The cost to get to Mars could easily be two to four times that, if it is possible at all.
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    There is, however, a way to surmount this problem while reducing the cost and technical requirements, but it demands that we ask this vexing question: Why are we so interested in bringing the Mars astronauts home again?
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    Moreover, if the radiation problems cannot be adequately resolved then the longevity of astronauts signing up for a Mars round trip would be severely compromised in any case. As cruel as it may sound, the astronauts would probably best use their remaining time living and working on Mars rather than dying at home.
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    We might want to restrict the voyage to older astronauts, whose longevity is limited in any case. Here again, I have found a significant fraction of scientists older than 65 who would be willing to live out their remaining years on the red planet or elsewhere. With older scientists, there would be additional health complications, to be sure, but the necessary medical personnel and equipment would still probably be cheaper than designing a return mission.

    Delivering food and supplies to these new pioneers — along with the tools to grow and build whatever they need, for however long they live on the red planet — is likewise more reasonable and may be less expensive than designing a ticket home. Certainly, as in the Zubrin proposal, unmanned spacecraft could provide the crucial supply lines.

    The largest stumbling block to a consideration of one-way missions is probably political. NASA and Congress are unlikely to do something that could be perceived as signing the death warrants of astronauts.
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    To boldly go where no one has gone before does not require coming home again.
    Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 4 September 2009, 09:56.
    Dr. Mordrid
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    An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

    I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

  • #2
    Put HIM in that rocket and make him go
    If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

    Jeremy Clarkson "806 brake horsepower..and that on that limp wrist faerie liquid the Americans call petrol, if you run it on the more explosive jungle juice we have in Europe you'd be getting 850 brake horsepower..."

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    • #3
      Truthfully, that's what I thought too
      Dr. Mordrid
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      An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

      I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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      • #4
        Somebody also proposed that in the 1960's, IIRC, for the moon missions.
        Hey, Donny! We got us a German who wants to die for his country... Oblige him. - Lt. Aldo Raine

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        • #5
          One-way trip? Where do I sign up?

          Give me a ticket and you won't be able to keep me on this rock at gunpoint.

          Kevin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KRSESQ View Post
            One-way trip? Where do I sign up?

            Give me a ticket and you won't be able to keep me on this rock at gunpoint.

            Kevin

            You know that while you will probably get free internet the latency will be a bitch
            If there's artificial intelligence, there's bound to be some artificial stupidity.

            Jeremy Clarkson "806 brake horsepower..and that on that limp wrist faerie liquid the Americans call petrol, if you run it on the more explosive jungle juice we have in Europe you'd be getting 850 brake horsepower..."

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            • #7
              I'll have to set up a mirror for Murc and Fark and a couple of porn sites, and I'm good.

              Kevin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Technoid View Post
                You know that while you will probably get free internet the latency will be a bitch
                ROFL
                FT.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KRSESQ View Post
                  One-way trip? Where do I sign up?

                  Give me a ticket and you won't be able to keep me on this rock at gunpoint.

                  Kevin
                  You see, it would be me holding the gun.
                  And the only thing I would be after, would be the ticket
                  Juu nin to iro


                  English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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                  • #10
                    as long as I am already on board Dan,do as you like 8D
                    Better to let one think you are a fool, than speak and prove it


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                    • #11
                      Sign me up. No problems.

                      No spiders on Mars. (I hope)
                      PC-1 Fractal Design Arc Mini R2, 3800X, Asus B450M-PRO mATX, 2x8GB B-die@3800C16, AMD Vega64, Seasonic 850W Gold, Black Ice Nemesis/Laing DDC/EKWB 240 Loop (VRM>CPU>GPU), Noctua Fans.
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                      • #12
                        If I could get drop shipments of beer, I'd been in as well
                        Yeah, well I'm gonna build my own lunar space lander! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the space lander, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

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                        • #13
                          Just have to stand in front of a camera while you drink it and they will ship tons of it
                          PC-1 Fractal Design Arc Mini R2, 3800X, Asus B450M-PRO mATX, 2x8GB B-die@3800C16, AMD Vega64, Seasonic 850W Gold, Black Ice Nemesis/Laing DDC/EKWB 240 Loop (VRM>CPU>GPU), Noctua Fans.
                          Nas : i3/itx/2x4GB/8x4TB BTRFS/Raid6 (7 + Hotspare) Xpenology
                          +++ : FSP Nano 800VA (Pi's+switch) + 1600VA (PC-1+Nas)

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                          • #14
                            that or brew your own as TANG will get old after a while 8D
                            Better to let one think you are a fool, than speak and prove it


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