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    Diamond seas and icebergs on Uranus and Neptune....

    Discovery News....

    Diamond Oceans Possible on Uranus, Neptune

    By melting and resolidifying diamond, scientists explain how such liquid diamond oceans may be possible.


    Oceans of liquid diamond, filled with solid diamond icebergs, could be floating on Neptune and Uranus, according to a recent article in the journal Nature Physics.

    The research, based on first detailed measurements of the melting point of diamond, found diamond behaves like water during freezing and melting, with solid forms floating atop liquid forms. The surprising revelation gives scientists a new understanding about diamonds and some of the most distant planets in our solar system.

    "Diamond is a relatively common material on Earth, but its melting point has never been measured," said Eggert. "You can't just raise the temperature and have it melt, you have to also go to high pressures, which makes it very difficult to measure the temperature."

    Other groups, notably scientists from Sandia National Laboratories, successfully melted diamond years ago, but they were unable to measure the pressure and temperature at which the diamond melted.

    Diamond is an incredibly hard material. That alone makes it difficult to melt. But diamond has another quality that makes it even more difficult to measure its melting point. Diamond doesn't like to stay diamond when it gets hot. When diamond is heated to extreme temperatures it physically changes, from diamond to graphite.

    The graphite, and not the diamond, then melts into a liquid. The trick for the scientists was to heat the diamond up while simultaneously stopping it from transforming into graphite.
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    So Diamond-class glass has existed or exists ?

    Some nice bulletproof thingy could be made couldn't it ?

    edit : Also means Space Mining should get going soon for the lucious diamonds on offer
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    • #3
      I'm a bit puzzled: if there needs to be enough pressure to make diamond liquid, how can this be combined with an "open" sea...?
      (but surely their models must say it is possible, or they wouldn't publish it)

      Originally posted by Evildead666 View Post
      Some nice bulletproof thingy could be made couldn't it ?
      Not sure... I wonder if flexibility of a material is not more important than material hardness...
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      • #4
        large planet, large gravity = large pressure

        you could probably have a diamond windscreen now, but i don't think you will like the price

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        • #5
          I know, but is the gravitational pull of Uranus or Neptune really enough to generate the required amount of pressure? Or maybe the seas are not really in the open (undergroud)...?

          Some 5-10 years ago, I read a prediction that we might be at the virge of what they called "the diamond age" (after stone, bronze, industrial, ...), due to the foreseen developments of the use of diamonds in more common materials. While we are not there yet, the prospect is still plausible...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Marshmallowman View Post
            large planet, large gravity = large pressure
            Uranus core pressure/temp = 8 million bars @ 5,000 Kelvin, with 1 bar roughly 1% less than Earth's barometric pressure at sea level.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by VJ View Post
              Some 5-10 years ago, I read a prediction that we might be at the verge of what they called "the diamond age" (after stone, bronze, industrial, ...), due to the foreseen developments of the use of diamonds in more common materials. While we are not there yet, the prospect is still plausible...
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              • #8
                Ever-sceptical, I suggest graphite "seas" are more likely or even another C allotrope. I understand the crystalline structure of diamond is destroyed at temp over ~1500°C at 1 bar, turning into CO2 in air, amorphous lampblack w/o O2 or graphite w/o O2 and under certain pressure conditions.

                Don't think of bullet proof diamglass. Proof: take a diamond from your wife's favourite ring, put it on an anvil and give it a good tap with a reasonable hammer. 99% chance you will get a pile of tiny diamond crystals, depending on orientation of cleavage lines with the direction of the tap plus big dents in anvil and hammer head. Simple hammer and chisel, applied with knowledge along cleavage lines are always used as starting point for shaping diamond jewellery from rough gem-quality stones. Takes several years to train an expert cleaver to ensure minimum loss of good diamond; I saw once in Anvers (Antwerp) an old Jewish cleaver and he said that, on a good rough of several tens of carats, he may take several days before deciding how/where to start cleaving to get maximum value with minimal inclusions. Sometimes it's better to cleave it into 2-4 smaller gem quality stones, rather than a single larger stone with a nasty inclusion.

                If large quantities of cheap perfect monocrystalline diamond became available, a new field of high-current semiconductor technology could open up, as the high thermal conductivity would allow better heat evacuation than Si, Ge, Ga-As and other "usual" substrates.

                Thought: imagine a spacecraft landing on graphite
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