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    Radiation's Big Lie

    Did a Nobel laureate knowingly lie about the dangers of radiation in 1946?


    BY Steven Cherry // Fri, October 07, 2011

    In 1946, Hermann Muller was awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine for work done on spontaneous gene mutation, including the effects of X-rays.

    So Muller was the obvious guy to go to when, right around the same time, the National Academy of Sciences formed a committee to offer expert advice to the government on the biological effects of atomic radiation.

    In his Nobel acceptance speech and in the NAS committee meetings, Muller argued that there is no safe level of radiation exposure, a position the Academy came to adopt. That in turn influenced official policies toward radiation for decades.

    The problem is, Hermann Muller knowingly lied. So says Edward J. Calabrese, a professor of toxicology at the University of Massachusetts School of Public Health. He bases that opinion on a wealth of materials, including formerly classified files and, recently, some overlooked correspondence between Muller and one of his coresearchers.

    Professor Calabrese is the author of over 600 journal papers and more than a dozen books. He’s board certified in toxicology, is the editor in chief of the journal Human and Ecological Risk Assessment, is a member of three different toxicology societies as well as the Society of Risk Analysis, and he’s my guest today.

    This interview was recorded 29 September 2011.
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    What ? So we can now safely live in an irradiated world ? Thats just fine and dandy now ?

    Are we going to open up the reactor cores of more nuclear plants, and spread the 'goodness' that is radiation ?

    This sounds like a corporate push to do less treatment, and have more people working in potentially dangerous situations.
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    • #3
      No - but it does go along with the effect known as radiobiological hormesis - there are beneficial biological mechanisms that are only activated in the presence of low level radiation. After Three Mile Islands results came in this article reviewing numerous studies documenting it was published in RSO Magazine (RSO = radiation safety officer) and its ideas have been confirmed many times since -

      Last edited by Dr Mordrid; 8 October 2011, 04:55.
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      • #4
        Just quickly glancing in the article you linked: all but one the examples on table 3 are well past 1946. So it may not have been a deliberate lie, but rather the way things were most commonly thought to be at the time... Science evolves... Knowledge improves...

        By comparison: if it turns out neutrinos can travel faster than light, does that imply that Einstein lied? Or that he was wrong? No, just like we don't consider Newton wrong since the relativity theory.
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        • #5
          Great news. We can go back to the good old days.



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          • #6
            @CJolley
            Good god, those were the days
            Would like to know what was in the Nu-Man tablets too Johnny Neutron ?
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            • #7
              Also, It is illogical for someone at the time to lie about radiation sickness etc, since that was around the beginning of the 'Atomic Age', for the Military at least.
              They could have produced those Atomic cars etc that they wanted back then.

              I thought radiation as a poison was brought on by The Curie's woes, and death, due to radiation poisoning ?
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              • #8
                lol, we lived not far from Trinity in El Paso, TX when I was little. You could go out and pick up glass there.
                We had some in a jar in our house.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by VJ View Post
                  Just quickly glancing in the article you linked: all but one the examples on table 3 are well past 1946. So it may not have been a deliberate lie,......
                  There were contemporaneous studies, and studies before WW-II, that indicated the same thing, so yes he made what's sounding more like an agenda driven choice.
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                  • #10
                    Yes, but that does not convince me. I can imagine there were contradicting experiments, different trains of thought and people adhering to personal opinions. Add to that that is safest to be cautious, and I personally think too big a deal is made out of this.
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