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  • FTL neutrinos: confirmation?

    but 15 of the 200 team members didn't sign on.

    NBC Cosmic Log story....

    Science - AAAS....

    Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos: OPERA Confirms and Submits Results, But Unease Remains

    New high-precision tests carried out by the OPERA collaboration in Italy broadly confirm its claim, made in September, to have detected neutrinos travelling at faster than the speed of light. The collaboration today submitted its results to a journal, but some members continue to insist that further checks are needed before the result can be considered sound.

    OPERA (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-Tracking Apparatus) measures the properties of neutrinos that are sent through the Earth from the CERN particle physics laboratory in Geneva, Switzerland, and arrive in its detector located under the Gran Sasso mountain in central Italy. On 22 September, the collaboration reported in a paper on the arXiv preprint server that it had measured neutrinos arriving some 60 nanoseconds earlier than they would have if travelling at light speed. The researchers obtained that result by statistically comparing the temporal distribution of protons within the 10.5 microsecond pulses that produce the neutrinos at CERN with that of the neutrinos observed in its detector.

    The new tests, completed 6 November, did away with the statistical analysis by splitting each pulse into bunches just 1- to 2-nanoseconds long, allowing each neutrino detected at Gran Sasso to be tied to a particular bunch produced at CERN. These tests were carried out over 10 days and provided 20 events. The researchers confirmed that the neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds early, with an uncertainty of about 10 nanoseconds, comparable to that of the initial result.

    The collaboration has also checked its original statistical analysis, but today's decision to submit the results to a journal was not unanimous. "About four people" among the group of around 15 who did not sign the preprint have signed the journal submission, according to a source within the collaboration, while "four new people" have decided not to sign. That leaves the number of dissenters at about 15, compared with about 180 who did sign the journal submission.

    A major concern among the dissenters is the fact that the "time window" within which neutrinos were detected by OPERA in the most recent run had a width of 50 nanoseconds, something that the leader of the superluminal analysis, Dario Autiero, only revealed once the tests had been carried out. It was initially assumed that this window was just 10 nanoseconds wide. This difference does not affect the final result itself, the source notes, but dissenters say it highlights poor experimental procedure. Some researchers are also unhappy that only a small fraction of the analysis, which was carried out by Autiero, has been independently checked by others within the collaboration. This leaves open the possibility, they say, that not all possible errors have been accounted for.

    The question of whether or not OPERA really has seen faster-than-light neutrinos will probably be settled only once the results of other experiments are in. Meanwhile, within OPERA, "People are exhausted," says the source. "Everyone should be convinced that the result is real, and they are not."
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  • #2
    Interesting times...
    The good thing is that they can reproduce the readings - regardless of whether they are FTL or whether it is an error, otherwise there is nothing to really go on.
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    • #3
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      • #4
        Yes, but is it faster than the speed of lint?

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        • #5
          Reminds me of something I read, that charged particles according to Maxwells laws are unable to go faster than light in an (charged?!? )electromagnetic field. (it also applies to light)

          And since the accelerators uses EM to accelerate the particles with a charge...

          It also said that "outside" a EM field or with uncharged particles FTL is perfectly possible

          but ( ) since I can't find it again, can't remember it correctly, can't be sure it's not from a scifi book , I'll only say that FTL neutrinos fits perfectly (particles with no charge at all ) :P

          While FTL neutrinos would be fun, I'll bet they either declare the it a mistake or say that neutrinos don't carry informations so they don't count (that is the official for quantum entangling not being FTL since it doesn't carry information)
          Last edited by Technoid; 18 November 2011, 17:41. Reason: a FTP instead of a FTL snuck in, ooops
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          • #6
            An old one:

            There was an old lady called Wright
            who could travel much faster than light.
            She departed one day
            in a relative way
            and returned on the previous night.
            Brian (the devil incarnate)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brian Ellis View Post
              An old one:

              There was an old lady called Wright
              who could travel much faster than light.
              She departed one day
              in a relative way
              and returned on the previous night.
              -- A. H. Reginald Buller in Punch, 1923
              Dr. Mordrid
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              An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

              I carry a gun because I can't throw a rock 1,250 fps

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