Tr4 doesn't work!!!!!!!!

[Sharkyz]

Maybe i found a game with lots of bugs. But I have 2 problems: one critical, the other I can "fix":
-the "fixable" is abaou videos: if I play them, every time at the same point I'm back to the desktop. I can skip them, even if I don't like that.
-The critical one is related to the level with the jeep. While loading after the first section, I'm back to the desktop again. NO solution found for that. I tried evrything I colud (bios/G400/Trg graphics settings).
I use 5.41 drivers and I have a SBLive with LW3.0 (with patch)
Can you help me.

[Rags]

Hi Sharkyz,

I had the same problem when I had DMA enabled for my CDROM. Under device manager uncheck the DMA box and see if this cures your prob.

Rags

[Sharkyz]

First of all, sorry for my typing errors (I hope the spelling is correct).
I didn't solve the problem with your suggestion. I tried to play the game from my Mitsumi 4801TE CD-Writer instead of my Pioneer DVD 103S (6x/32x). I tried to both uncheck DMA and turn off CD-ROM cache. Nothing changed (((((
I forgot to mention I tried both DX6.1 and 7.0(a)

[Michael7]

This is a strange problem. I have been running TR4 for months now, am just past the moving train level, and I've never had a single problem with it. It runs beautifully with all features enabled. Can't imagine what the trouble would be.

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-Michael
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"Fight all the things that betray you."
--Excerpt from "Farscape: Rhapsody in Blue."
G400 32MB DH. Asus p5a. AMD K63-450. 128 MB. Huappage WinTV-PCI. SoundBlaster Live Value.

[Rags]

Hi Sharkyz,

Okay, next step would be to see how other 3D games work, so how well do other games work?
Something that would help us out with your problem would be to post some specifics about your system, IRQ listings/Motherboard/peripherals/etc. etc.

Rags

[Sharkyz]

No problems at all.

[HollyBerri]

I tried to play the game from my Mitsumi 4801TE CD-Writer instead of my Pioneer DVD 103S (6x/32x). I tried to both uncheck DMA and turn off CD-ROM cache. Nothing changed

Does this mean, as I think, that you were unable to remove the checkmark in the Device Manager Properties for your 2 CD-ROM drives?

If so, here's a fast-n-dirty fix....It does require you to know what IDE channels your devices are on, though. When next you boot, head into BIOS. In either 'PNP/PCI Configuration' or 'Integrated Peripherals' (not sure which), you will likely have a group of settings as follows:

Primary Master UDMA
Primary Slave UDMA
Secondary Master UDMA
Secondary Slave UDMA

Choose 'Disabled' for the channels your 2 CD-ROMS reside on, but whatever you do don't disable DMA for your HDD (primary master).

It's true, I couldn't use my CD-RW or play CD Audio 'till someone tipped me off to uncheck the DMA box... it most likely will solve at least one of your problems.

But Rags is right, post your system specs asap... a rundown of whether other games work, and most likely we'll want an IRQ list as well....

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Holly

[This message has been edited by HollyBerri (edited 09 January 2000).]

[Sharkyz]

I meant same situation with the game. No problem disabling/enabling DMA.

[Rags]

Alright Sharkyz,

There is nothing we can do to help you until you give us some more information about your system. For crying out loud, if you want help you have to give us something to work with. Half assed one line posts don't help out at all.

Rags

[Sharkyz]

Ok.
P3 450 oc 600
G400 32mb DH oc to MAX with MGA tools
QDI BrillianX 1S with latest bios
128mb sdram LGS -7j
WD idontremember 8gb (PM)
Quantum fireball EX 6gb (PS)
Pioneer DVD 103S (PS)
Mitsumi 4801TE (SS)
SBLive player 1024
LT Winmodem
Win98SE (I tried also with Win98 standard)
DX7 (I tried also with DX6.1)

I have all latest bios/drivers.The problem isn't related to CPU/G400 oc. I also tried to unload all resident programs.
Would you like to know more (maybe something specific you are interested in)?

[Jorden]

Let's ask for the third time, it might register now... IRQ listing please?

Jorden.

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Matrox Users Rely on Cheese !!

[Rags]

Hi Sharkyz,

That's a very good start The QDI is a good motherboard, but I have seen two that I have tried out personally that prefer to be run in AGP 1X mode, use the registry hacks found on the front page of http://www.murc.ws

Also, I would like to see a complete IRQ listing, just hit the window key and the break key, goto device manager, click on mycomputer select properties and cut and paste.

Also, are you running Liveware 3.0 for your soundcard, and have you had any other video cards previous to the G400?? If you have, you can boot into safe mode, goto Device manager, select display adapter, and see if there is more than one listing of a graphics card there, if there is, remove it/them. While you are there, make sure there are also no duplicates of your sound card or related hardware.

Rags

[derah]

TR4 should work.
1) Do you enter the game from the Setup menu and match the game resolution to your desktop resolution?
Eidos tech support recommends that the game be run at 800X600X16 bit colour.
Eidos has a patch for TR4 to run in 32 bit colour.Unfortunately, once installed , you won't be able to use previous saves.I also found the colours to be garishly intense with the patch and the item and save/load screens are badly corrupted.
2) SB Liveware 3.0. Do your LW3.0 drivers come from an install CD or from the web? If you downloaded drivers from the before Nov, they require the newer patched version now available AND the newest SBlive drivers (EMU10k1.vxd ver 4.06.711) Creative also suggests completely unistalling LW2.0/2.1 and previous SBlive drivers before installing LW3.0

3) Is your CDROM constantly accessing during the game?

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ASUS P3BF 440BX MB,Intel PIII 500 Mhz, 128MB RAM,Fujitsu 13 GB HD, Acer 50X CDROM, Matrox G400 Max (ver 5.41/turbo), SB Live MP3+(ver 4.06.654) sound card with Liveware3.0, DX7.0

[Sharkyz]

I forgot to mention I've just installed a Creative Dxr3. I had Tr4 problem before that installation, so don't mind. My system has a clean installation (i did it 1 week ago). SBLive drivers are the latest (EMU10k1.vxd is ver 4.06.711). I tried Tr4 with standard setting (800x600x16 too), in software mode and even without sound. I also tried the latest Tr4 patch (can't test the savegame, but the problem with the videos is still present, so I guess nothing changed). Same problems with AGP at 1x. My CD-ROM acces only when loading data.
That's the IRQ list (take from MS system Information). I' have Windows italian version: I tried to translated it as best ad I can.

0 System timer
1 Standard keyboard 101/102 keys or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
2 Programmable interrupts controller (PIC)
3 (Free)
4 IRQ ACPI manager for IRQ PCI modification
4 Creative PC-DVD Encore Dxr3
5 Creative SB16 Emulation
6 Standard floppy disk controller
7 Printer port (LPT1)
8 System clock CMOS at real time
9 SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
10 IRQ ACPI manager for IRQ PCI modification
10 Lucent Win Modem
10 Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
11 IRQ ACPI manager IRQ PCImodification
11 Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - Italiano
12 IRQ ACPI manager for IRQ PCI modification
12 Creative SB Live! Value
13 Mathematical co-processor
14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
14 Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
15 Intel(r) 82371AB/EB/MB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller

[Jorden]

Hi Sharkyz,

You said it wouldn't be the OC'ing of the CPU/G400 that would cause the problem, but have you checked this?
Try at least by setting your G400 to it's normal setting.

I've got some friends who run their copy of TR4 on an OC'ed CPU, but none of them is OC'ing his videocard. It could be the culprit.

Jorden.