Martin autopsy / Zimmerman medical report

[cjolley]

"Stalking" involves a repetitive series of behaviors over time, and is not usually applied to a single incident. This is going to be a hard case to make.

Odd, there doesn't seem to be anything about repetitive in the definition:
stalkingpresent participle of stalk (Verb)

Verb:

• Pursue or approach stealthily: "a cat stalking a bird".
• Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention: "the fan stalked the actor".

...Sh** happens.

So "oops, my bad" makes up for killing someone innocently walking down the street?
That makes me feel real secure about your view of the responsibilitys of a CC license.

[Dr Mordrid]

I have one simple question that has yet to be satisfactorily answered: Why is individual A, armed with a pistol, allowed protection under SYG but individual B, armed only with his fists, not?
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This is exactly the kind of guy you do not want packing heat on neighborhood watch, and this is exactly the reason why: Because eventually the wrong person winds up dead and everybody is pissed off.

False premise for both.

In most all SYG laws the fundamental idea is you have no duty to retreat, which often you cannot as when some idiot is on your chest pummeling your face, and you can use any means necessary or available to defend yourself. Got a gun? Shoot. Got a knife? Cut. Got a pipe? Swing away. Gloves off.

Zimmerman was not on patrol but on his way to the store, and like many of us who CC he wore his firearm when he went out - particularly at night because, DUH!, that's when most robberies and muggings occur. This kid was a stranger to the neighborhood and was seen scurrying around behind buildings including a closed rec building. Sounds worth a look to me. I've been a neighborhood watcher myself, and more than once I've also seen something suspicious when not on a scheduled patrol and had to deal with it.

Years ago I was out at night, not on patrol but carrying. It was after 10:00PM so the local cop-shop was closed save for a night secretary (small town-itis) and sure enough I ended up making a citizens arrest for an assault, so I see where he could have had a similar thing happen but it spiraled out of control. Sh** happens.

[KRSESQ]

I have one simple question that has yet to be satisfactorily answered: Why is individual A, armed with a pistol, allowed protection under SYG but individual B, armed only with his fists, not?

It's a clusterf*ck, plain and simple: Two individuals, each one presumably completely within the law (Martin didn't even steal the Goddamned Skittles and iced tea). Each one feeling threatened by the other. Each one entitled under the law to stand their ground rather than retreat.

The questions before the jury: which one had the greater right to feel threatened and which one had the greater right to be proactive in their self-defense?

And if Zimmerman felt so threatened that he thought a gun was needed, again why did he leave the relative safety of his car? "He was within his rights" is not a good enough answer in this situation. Zimmerman's not a cop. He's not a law enforcement professional of any kind. He's never had any military training. He's obviously never had any self-defense or unarmed combat training. He's a mortgage underwriter. As a neighborhood watch patrolman, his incompetence is unspeakable.

This is exactly the kind of guy you do not want packing heat on neighborhood watch, and this is exactly the reason why: Because eventually the wrong person winds up dead and everybody is pissed off.

[Dr Mordrid]

"Stalking" involves a repetitive series of behaviors over time, and is not usually applied to a single incident. This is going to be a hard case to make.

[cjolley]

Yeah, maybe having a gun permit should allow him to stalk anyone he wants to

[Dr Mordrid]

Maybe he shouldn't have to.

[KRSESQ]

Maybe Zimmerman should have stayed in his car like the police told him to.

[Dr Mordrid]

http://abcnews.go.co...32#.T7OgNlK8hmw

A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
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http://www.wftv.com/...juries-h/nN6gs/

WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.

The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him.

The autopsy results come as Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O’Mara continues to go over other evidence in the case.

O’Mara wouldn't comment on the autopsy evidence, but WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said it's better for the defense than it is for the prosecution.

WFTV has learned that the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.

When you compare Trayvon’s non-fatal injury with Zimmerman's bloody head wounds, the autopsy evidence is better for the defense, Sheaffer said.
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