Linux: Your recommendations

[{PainCresT}DAn]

Re: Re: Re: Not quite

kewl no harm taken....

BTW did you like my pic

[WxDude]

Correction on runlevels

rugger wrote:

Now runlevels are different. Runlevels are used by init (not the kernel), to determine what program schedual it should run. Runlevels that are commonly defined are:

0: Init should halt the system (maybe poweroff as well)
1: Single user mode. All programs are shut down, and a text login prompt is provided. This mode is useful for because you can remount the / filesystem as read-only and perform maintenece on it if it is damages. You can also use this mode to upgrade libc and other system libraries manually.
2: Not used
3: Multiuser mode: This mode starts up all programs and background servers and brings up a normal text login prompt.
4: X11 mode: This is the same as multiuser mode, but login now happens via the Xserver.
5: Not used, but ussually the same as runlevel 3.
6: Reboot. Init will shutdown everything and reboot the system cleanly.

Hi rugger,

Just a quick correction. Run level 5 (not 4) is the X11 login level. It is the same as level 3, but with
X login. 4 is not used for anything.


Dan:

As I said in an earlier post, I think the O'Rielly & Associates "Running Linux" book is a great book
to learn linux with. They have different versions for the different distributions (or they used to. My one
is for slackware from back in the 1.2/1.3 days and
I know there was a RedHat version too). Also,

http://www.tldp.org/

The Linux Documentation Project has tons of how-to's, guides, etc. for linux. It is a good
resource too.

Like rugger, my personal favorite distribution is Slackware. The install is done from the command
line (with a menu based text installer) but afterwards you can use X11.

If you want to setup you system to automatically start the X-login, you have to edit the "/etc/inittab"
file and change the line:

id:3:initdefault:

to:

id:5:initdefault:

Upon reboot, your computer will start up the X11 login. No need to login as root to switch runlevels.

Hope this helps!

- Wx

[rugger]

Re: Correction on runlevels

Originally posted by WxDude
rugger wrote:



Hi rugger,

Just a quick correction. Run level 5 (not 4) is the X11 login level. It is the same as level 3, but with
X login. 4 is not used for anything.


Dan:

As I said in an earlier post, I think the O'Rielly & Associates "Running Linux" book is a great book
to learn linux with. They have different versions for the different distributions (or they used to. My one
is for slackware from back in the 1.2/1.3 days and
I know there was a RedHat version too). Also,

http://www.tldp.org/

The Linux Documentation Project has tons of how-to's, guides, etc. for linux. It is a good
resource too.

Like rugger, my personal favorite distribution is Slackware. The install is done from the command
line (with a menu based text installer) but afterwards you can use X11.

If you want to setup you system to automatically start the X-login, you have to edit the "/etc/inittab"
file and change the line:

id:3:initdefault:

to:

id:5:initdefault:

Upon reboot, your computer will start up the X11 login. No need to login as root to switch runlevels.

Hope this helps!

- Wx

No, this is what it says, verbatum, in my inittab file (slackware 8.0)

Written by Miquel van Smoorenburg
# These are the default runlevels in Slackware:

# 0 = halt
# 1 = single user mode
# 2 = unused (but configured the same as runlevel 3)
# 3 = multiuser mode (default Slackware runlevel)
# 4 = X11 with KDM/GDM/XDM (session managers)
# 5 = unused (but configured the same as runlevel 3)
# 6 = reboot

Other distros may be different, but that is slackware.


:

[WxDude]

Oops....My mistake

Sorry Rugger. I'm here at my work machine (Redhat 7.2) and not at home with my slack machine. You're
right about it being level 4 under slack. Redhat uses level 5 for xdm. My bad.

- wx

[{PainCresT}DAn]

I know I may be over my head but on Mandrake 8.1 or 8.2 it has runlevel 5 when in X11 mode because during bootup I notice a screen flash (for only a second... Linux on a 1.3GHz Duron on Asus KT133a + 40GB IBM DeskStar + 512MB PC133 RAM is totaly kickass... I can burn an ISO and watch TV without any slowdown and no Burn errors as well as open 3 or 4 Mozilla browsers and search for files all at the same time and NO ERROR NO CRASHES NO BSOD'S.... I CAN NOW TAKE ON THE WORLD MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ) oh where was I... oh yes... it says on bootup "... now entering runlevel 5 state" and then GUI starts up... GNome is the best and I must say since I've supported dumbass newbie end-users on windows for about 8 years now I will state this confidently.... IF ANYONE IS STARTING TO USE PC'S FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME AND DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY 3D SHOOTERS YOU DON"T NEED WINDOWS AT ALL!!!!! and from an intuitive standpoint GNome GUI is better than Windows XP... Scalable run bar as well as icons/text/,....../...../..././/./././ you know what I mean!!!!!!! CALL ME CONVERTED...

[{PainCresT}DAn]

BTW Rugger Mandrake 8.2 solved all my problems....
-TVTuner
-Samba
-VNC (even figured out how to get it to load on startup.... I know this may be simple to Linux GODS but I'm totaly rusty/newbie at this and firgured it out in about 10 minutes)
-CDBurning
-Even Got Openoffice 1.0 and installed it... it was exactly the same as the windows install.... I'm totaly impressed that all I had to do was double click setup
-All that's left to do is to get HL-CS Server software working (and at least there is a server software for Linux)
-and UT Server software
- and Jedi Knight/Q3/RTCW server going
And everything will be complete....

You know come to think about it GNome is easier to learn for computer newbie's than Windows XP just because how you must interact with it.... Sometimes Windows XP isn't intuitive to use its just that we have been "Trained" into believing that its easier.... I'm just looking at how you interact with the desktop and not if its compatible and all that other crap that forces most people to use Windoze.

[Sasq]

Yeah my RH 7.1 init level 5 is X as well.

Dan

[Marshmallowman]

3d shooters run very well on linux.

Return to castle wolfenstein runs like a charm, dare I say, better than windows XP!!!

[{PainCresT}DAn]

Originally posted by Marshmallowman
3d shooters run very well on linux.

Return to castle wolfenstein runs like a charm, dare I say, better than windows XP!!!

That's nice and all but I usualy play Counter-Strike and unfortunatly I don't know of anything except maybe TransGaming... you have to pay for... I've already paid $80.00 for Half-Life... that will make it work properly. Anyway why should I buy 2 copies of the same game... Can I buy RTCW for Linux ... or do i have to do the buy online at Loki's online shop... WOW THAT'S GOOD SECURITY... I would like to buy it today and not wait 2 weeks or more...

All this to say Linux is not a gaming system YET!!! and I'm gonna pay for something that I have to strain every braincell in my head to get it working (took me 25 minutes to figure out how to remove/add an item into the "Start" menu equivalent in Gnome... total waste of time, in Windows it would have taken what 25 seconds not minuts). Being that I'm a security guy where I work online purchases are not safe... nothing is... even in Linux, I'm not gonna go to Loki and buy his ported games since I already bought them for Windows and like I said above Transgaming costs something... I'm not gonna get ride of Windows just yet.

But I must say since I've been able to do what I've been doing on it up to date I would not doubt even for a second that it would totaly outperform windows on the gaming side since it outperforms on everything else.

[Marshmallowman]

for rtcw and quakes(123), you just copy a windows install to your linux partition(or use from where it is) and install the linux binaries...the OSP mod for RTCW is actually windows/linux independent.

Unreal is a bit different you download the linux installer and then it uses the unreal(windows orig) cd to get the other required files..

But you are right it isn't really a gaming OS, but mandrake does do a gaming verion of their distro, it comes sims, and transgaming stuff preinstalled.

I must say I will no longer buy a game unless it runs on linux, and I am starting to find quite a few native linux games that suit my tastes

I have been working on halflife myself, just using standard "free" wine.
Not good sofar but I see light at the end of the tunnel, I think I should be able to get it up and running in OPENGL mode..

do you think we should start a half life for linux thread?

[{PainCresT}DAn]

Originally posted by Marshmallowman
I have been working on halflife myself, just using standard "free" wine.
Not good sofar but I see light at the end of the tunnel, I think I should be able to get it up and running in OPENGL mode..

do you think we should start a half life for linux thread?

You Damned right!!!
Sorry about being a bit insistent but I must say that if I had HalfLife 4 Linux I would just jizz. Just imagin that

Anyway Yeah I totaly think you should creat a thread just for Linux Client version of Half-life since that is probably the most popular FPS there is on the the net. Its the only game that has been updated more often than any other I know of, therefore there is still support to keep it running properly and even add functionality.

I will make this promise to you Marshmallowman if you can get OpenGL working for Half-Life I will put Win2k as my last partition and only use it for compatibilities sake (probably never since I never do anything dealing with work at home.... or at least I try to, its a long story).

I already renounce M$ because I've been supporting there windoz crap for ever... I remeber the good old day back in DOS, everything was much simpler. I probably would have prefered learning linux if was realy available, I was a newbie in a small little town at least 1 hour (this is not city driving but highway) away from anything significant (Ottawa). But Dos was so much fun I even was kickass at optimizing memory to get the most out of your system. I knew everything that was running in memory and how much Base memory was left... the best I did was 612KB of base, I just could do any better. Anyway, YES YES YES YES DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!!!

[Wombat]

I had Half-Life running in Wine about a year ago. You should be able to get it going. I did copy it over from a windows partition though.

I even tested it out, playing Counter Strike online. Worked great.

[{PainCresT}DAn]

Originally posted by Wombat
I had Half-Life running in Wine about a year ago. You should be able to get it going. I did copy it over from a windows partition though.

I even tested it out, playing Counter Strike online. Worked great.

What distro do you think I should use... for gaming that is, I have;
MSI K7T Turbo2
MS Explorer mouse v3.0
MSI GF3 Ti200 64MB
768MB PC-133 CAS2 Micron
60GB WD Caviar
SB Audigy Gamer

What linux would support my current rig?

[Marshmallowman]

I can get into the main menu, but I can't start a game.

Sound works, but it says display mode is unavavilable..
I am using 4.2 xserver (and KDE 3) and wine 2

I am going to start the thread

http://forums.murc.ws/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33904

[Wombat]

Oh yeah, there's some trick with that. I'll try to dig it up.