some Benchmarks

[Maggi]

Hey Y'all !

I thought this forum could need a little revival ...

Asus A7V333
Athlon XP 2400+ (factory unlocked Thorton)
768MB PC2700 DDR
Sapphire Atlantis 9600 non pro 256MB DDR (RV350)

Athlon XP 2400+ (unlocked Thorton @ 13x166 - 2167MHz)

Sapphire Atlantis 9600 non pro 256MB
clock setting core/memory		324/189 (default)	405/225			gain

3DMark 2001 SE build 330 Score		8320			9642			+ 15.9 %
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail		93.2 fps		115.2 fps		+ 23.6 %
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail	51.9 fps		58.5 fps		+ 12.7 %
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail		134.2 fps		162.1 fps		+ 20.8 %
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail	79.2 fps		97.2 fps		+ 22.7 %
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail		128.6 fps		139.3 fps		+  8.3 %
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail		64.1 fps		65.9 fps		+  2.8 %
Game 4 - Nature				42.9 fps		52.1 fps		+ 21.4 %
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing)		643.9 MTexels/s		776.6 MTexels/s		+ 20.6 %
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing)		1280.3 MTexels/s	1596.6 MTexels/s	+ 24.7 %
High Polygon Count (1 Light)		36.1 MTriangles/s	43.3 MTriangles/s	+ 19.9 %
High Polygon Count (8 Lights)		8.2 MTriangles/s	10.2 MTriangles/s	+ 24.4 %
Environment Bump Mapping		137.8 fps		152.9 fps		+ 11.0 %
DOT3 Bump Mapping			90.4 fps		109.4 fps		+ 21.0 %
Vertex Shader				107.8 fps		132.3 fps		+ 22.7 %
Pixel Shader				144.2 fps		175.1 fps		+ 21.4 %
Advanced Pixel Shader			73.3 fps		89.2 fps		+ 21.7 %
Point Sprites				10.6 MSprites/s		12.9 MSprites/s		+ 21.7 %

In order to being able to judge my own performance, I'd especially like to see some detailed scores (please don't post overall scores only) from other Radeon based systems, but feel free to contribute whatever you like ...

Btw, could anybody give me a clue on how to benchmark UT2004 ?

It was a piece of cake with UT2003, but I surely failed to find the counterparts in UT2004 ...

[Kastuvas]

These are my dad's laptop's results

P4 2.8Ghz, 512DDR, Mobility Radeon 9000.

RESULTS

3DMark Score 7193
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 95.8 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 49.8 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 109.6 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 60.6 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 114.5 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 54.2 fps
Game 4 - Nature 35.2 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 557.0 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 1023.5 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 20.2 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 4.7 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 126.2 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 69.4 fps
Vertex Shader 71.7 fps
Pixel Shader 89.3 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 77.9 fps
Point Sprites 16.6 MSprites/s

[Kastuvas]

My brothers PC

Athlon 2400+ , 512DDR, GF2 Integrated,


RESULTS
3DMark Score 1777
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 29.0 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 16.0 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 29.1 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 15.7 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 26.7 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 14.7 fps
Game 4 - Nature Not supported by hardware
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 183.6 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 340.7 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 15.4 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 3.9 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping Not supported by hardware
DOT3 Bump Mapping 18.3 fps
Vertex Shader 23.3 fps
Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware
Advanced Pixel Shader Not supported by hardware
Point Sprites 3.8 MSprites/s


Hmm seems a bit low i expected around 2500 marks


Edit: typo

[Faramir1966]

Operating System Microsoft Windows 2000
CPU Intel Pentium 4 2600 MHz
FSB 200 MHz
Memory 512 MB
Graphics Chipset Matrox Parhelia
Resolution 1024x768 32bit

Detailed Test Results
3DMark Score 8119 3D marks

Game 1 Car Chase - Low Detail 120.8 FPS
Game 1 Car Chase - High Detail 52.5 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - Low Detail 117.6 FPS
Game 2 Dragothic - High Detail 70.5 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - Low Detail 132.9 FPS
Game 3 Lobby - High Detail 66.7 FPS
Game 4 Nature 30.6 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 734.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2657.5 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 light) 23.8 MTriangels/s
High Polygon Count (8 lights) 10.7 MTriangels/s
Environment Bump Mapping 115.0 FPS
DOT3 Bump Mapping 105.4 FPS
Vertex Shader 93.6 FPS
Pixel Shader 85.3 FPS
Advanced Pixel Shader 74.6 FPS
Point Sprite 14.0 MSprites/s
Would have thought the 9600 would be faster compared to Parhelia......(at least on 3dmark2k1)

[Evildead666]

My Machine.

DISPLAY
Platform RADEON 9700 PRO (9500 pro -flashed 373/310 c/m)
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None
3DMark Score 14210
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 191.7 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 72.5 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 253.0 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 153.3 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 194.4 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 87.9 fps
Game 4 - Nature 77.2 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1240.7 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2879.1 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 70.4 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 18.1 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 225.8 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 158.3 fps
Vertex Shader 191.5 fps
Pixel Shader 266.8 fps
Point Sprites 33.7 MSprites/s

CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family unknown
Internal Clock 2.11GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 2.11GHz
External Clock 179MHz
Socket Designation Socket A
Level 1
Capacity 128KB
Level 2
Capacity 512KB

[Evildead666]

My other machine. this one was replaced by an autonomous adsl router.
so now ts a 2nd game machine

Just put in tonight a 9800se bought for 170euros, and it works fine in a 9800pro fashion with all 8 pipes smokin !!!
coolers wee small, and an arctic cooling vga silencer is on its way.

Display:
Type: Internal
Width: 1024
Height: 768
Depth: 32-Bit
Buffering: Triple
Z-Buffering: 24-Bit
Refresh Rate: VSync Off
Texture Format: 32-Bit

3DMark Result: 15888 3D marks
CPU Speed: Display settings not 16 bit CPU 3D marks
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail: 279.8 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail: 212.7 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail: 167.2 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail: 384.1 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail: 173.8 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail: 106.4 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing): 1473.7 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing): 2814.1 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light): 39553 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights): 16184 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights): 9112 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed: 1284.4 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed: 1202.1 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed: 707.7 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed: 347.9 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass): 643.1 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass): 684.4 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass): 1406.6 FPS
Bump Mapping (Environment): 714.7 FPS

SYSTEM
Software Versions:
Windows Version Windows 5Service Pack 1, Build 2600
DirectX Version 4.09.00.0902
Bios Version Nvidia - 42302e31
Bios Date 02/14/03

Memory:
Total Physical Memory 512MB
Free Physical Memory 384MB

PROCESSOR
CPU Information:
Processor Type AMD Athlon(tm) XP
Processor Speed 2165MHz
Processor Caps SSE, Enhanced 3DNow!/MMX

Cache Memory:
L1 Cache Size 128KB
L2 Cache Size 512KB

INTERNAL 3D CARD
Information:
Name RADEON 9800 SERIES
Driver Name ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version 0.00.00.0000 (Not Certified)
Total Video Memory 130940KB
Total Texture Memory 248428KB
Minimum Texture Resolution 1 * 1
Maximum Texture Resolution 2048 * 2048
Maximum Texture Blending Stages 8
Maximum Texture Coordinates 8
Bus AGP
Manufacturer Identifier 0x00001002
Chipset Type 0x00004148
Subsystem Identifier 0x414812AB
Chipset Revision Level 0x00000000

[Evildead666]

have to point out that the 2nd machine failed to install 3dmark 03 or 2001 due to the HDD going bust. it sings from time to time if you know what i mean, and when i access some of the first partitions, it gets very noisy... oh well...

edit: got 3dmark 03 installed, but it crashed, and codecreatures failed to install. bummer.

[Novdid]

Here's mine. Slightly OC'ed 9700Pro (350/337). Barton XP2800+ not OC'ed and 1GB RAM.

3DMark Score 15299
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 205.2 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 71.2 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 305.8 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 158.0 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 184.9 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 82.1 fps
Game 4 - Nature 105.7 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1917.6 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 2753.1 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 68.2 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 17.4 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 245.3 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 228.4 fps
Vertex Shader 219.1 fps
Pixel Shader 302.9 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 206.8 fps
Point Sprites 42.3 MSprites/s

Not stellar but OK.

[Kastuvas]

9500 pro looks sweet when flashed to 9700pro.

[Maggi]

thanx a lot for your numbers, guys !

very much appreciated ...

one thing that strikes me though, is the fact that all Radeon cards take a huge performance hit in the high polygon tests when there more that one light in the scene, whereas a the performance loss on a Parhelia is not nearly as bad.

look here:

Athlon XP 2400+ (unlocked Thorton @ 13x166 - 2167MHz)

Matrox Parhelia 128MB with forced FAA
clock setting core/memory		234/300

3DMark 2001 SE build 330 Score		6356
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail		87.2 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail	49.9 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail		82.7 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail	52.5 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail		101.0 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail		55.9 fps
Game 4 - Nature				24.0 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing)		768.9 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing)		2651.2 MTexels/s
[b]High Polygon Count (1 Light)		17.7 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights)		10.6 MTriangles/s[/b]
Environment Bump Mapping		80.9 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping			76.7 fps
Vertex Shader				41.8 fps
Pixel Shader				87.4 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader			48.8 fps
Point Sprites				8.1 MSprites/s

so going from 1 to 8 lights doesn't even cut the performance in half on a Parhelia, while the throughput on all those various Radeon boards seem to be quartered in that scenario.

Now if only the Parhelia would be able to run at core speeds of 300+ MHz, it could have been a really strong contender.

[Novdid]

I see it more this way, the Parhelia doesn't have anything to half...my radeon although true that it's 1 light performance is 4 times as high, it's 8 lights performance still equalls that slightly OC'ed P's 1 light score...

Not to mention the lousy pixelshaders on the P.

[Maggi]

very true and that's the main reason for my switch to the RV350 ...

but that wasn't supposed to be my point, instead I am really wondering why the Radeons tank that much in this lighting situation ?

[DGhost]

might as well toss this in.

Athlon 64 3200+, 1gb DDR 400, GeForceFX 5700 Ultra

Normal:
3D Mark 2001 = 15364

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DISPLAY
Platform NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None

RESULTS
3DMark Score 15364
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 254.0 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 87.7 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 237.2 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 135.6 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 231.0 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 115.7 fps
Game 4 - Nature 68.2 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 1232.2 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 1627.9 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 76.5 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 25.2 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping 180.5 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping 145.5 fps
Vertex Shader 134.0 fps
Pixel Shader 141.0 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader 68.5 fps
Point Sprites 31.1 MSprites/s

CPU INFO
CENTRAL PROCESSING UNITS
Manufacturer AMD
Family Duron(tm)
Internal Clock 2 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 2 GHz
External Clock 201 MHz
Socket Designation Socket A
Type <unknown>
Upgrade ZIF Socket
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2
Version AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
CPUID 0x00000f48

CACHES
Level 1
Capacity 128 KB
Type Internal
Type Details Synchronous
Error Correction Type <unknown>
Associativity <unknown>

Level 2
Capacity 1 MB
Type Internal
Type Details Synchronous
Error Correction Type <unknown>
Associativity <unknown>

[Evildead666]

Originally posted by Kastuvas
9500 pro looks sweet when flashed to 9700pro.

Its got an Arctic Cooling VGA silencer on it, which enabled me to go from 320MHz GPUclock with stock cooling, to 373, which is where the Rage3D tweak maxes out the slider bar. the memory has no ramsinks, since it is 128bit memory, and there is nothing i can do about that.
The 9800SE on the other hand is a 256bit memory interface, and i'm just waiting for another VGA silencer for it to push it as far as it can go, but for around 100quid, if all goes well, i get a full 9800pro...on a 9800pro PCB and all...only a few days til the cooler arrives

[Maggi]

Originally posted by Tom
Old school P4 and 9800 Pro AIW

Normal:
3D Mark 2003 = 5626
3D Mark 2001 = 15,729

Overclocked:
3D Mark 2003 = 6153
3D Mark 2001 = 16,446

Hi Tom,

I explicitly asked for detailed scores, because the overall scores mean nothing ...


Hey DGhost,

you put up some interesting scores there.

For one, your multitexturing looks a bit low to me, but I have no idea what architecture your GFFX5700U is, so it might be just right.

For the other, going from 1 light to 8 ligths in that high polygon test, seem to have cut the cards throughput in third, as opposed to be cut in half on Parhelia and being quartered on Radeons.

Pretty interesting, if you'd ask me.

Thanx for input y'all !