OT: terrorism

[hapz]

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder. Two brothers torn apart by Chaos. While the fortress endures the great leader will succumb . The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

said to be a prediction by Nostradamus....


Not that I believe in his predictions, but itsn't this eerie?


By the way, all the justice and revenge actions will not help against people that kill themselves and others in the believe that this act will immediately place them into heaven........
Death is no threat to them, unfortunately. What is?

[Ghydda]

Religion has enslaved billions of people over time. Made them do horrible things to each other. Just look in the history books! Not a single religion can decline having brought terrible things upon other people in the good name of their god(s)/beliefs.

Religion is evil itself, no matter in what shape or form it comes in. And religion will continue to breed fanatics who will do the extreme in order to get their message through.

This is how it has been for 1000's of years and I fear it will continue for a very long time to come. I pity all of us, we will surely be guilty in our own destruction.

And mother nature will be cleaning up the mess we left behind.

Very sad.


Ghydda is upset

[iparout]

Well, speaking on that "Palestinian cheering" matter :

They were not cheering for seeing people get killed ; noone likes that. All they were cheering for is because they saw the world's most powerful country getting humiliated for being tragically unable to protect its nation.

As a matter of fact, deaths are a common thing for the Palestinians, so they are probably thinking : "Let those Americans see how "good" it is to have people killed " - Thus the cheering. And, you know what, in some extent I can understand them... I would have propably done the same (cheering) if I were in their position.

It is almost certain that those attacks were symbolic (WTC= center of Capitalism, Pentagon= World's most guarded and safe(?) military facility). The cheering was symbolic as well...

By the way, this was going to happen SOONER OR LATER... You can't go around bombarding people and expect no answer at all...

USA has a whole lot of enemies.

However, it's too bad innocent people have to pay for their Government's STUPIDITY.

My 2 cents.

[KRSESQ]

Ghydda:

Religion is just one of a near-infinite assortment of excuses humans use to inflict misery upon one another. To say that all religion is evil is no different than saying all blacks are lazy thieving lowlifes or all Moslems are terrorist fanatics or all Italians are fat garlic eaters...

Ad Nauseum.

If there were no such thing as religion in the world, humans would have no difficulty thinking of different excuses for enslaving or killing one another.

It is rather those who twist and pervert and bastardise their respective beliefs in order to subjugate and terrorize others who are truely evil.

As a matter of perspective, two of the biggest mass butchers in all of human history, Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao, were avowed Atheists, answering to no higher moral authority than themselves.

Kevin

[Debbie]

I can not find words strong enough to condemn this act of cowardly, fanatic, barbarisim.

The whole island of Malta and infact the whole democratic world has been stuned and sigusted by this act.

All I can say to our U.S.of A. friends may God bless you all and I'm sure that you will come out of this stronger than ever before.

God bless you,
Debbie

[Brian Ellis]

Whereas I'm as shocked as all of you, I think this thread should be closed. We all say things in the heat of the moment that we may regret later and I sense that many of the posts here may fall in that category.

Let those of us who are religious (of whatever faith) just shut up for a few days and pray for Divine guidance to find out what He would have us say and not what our emotions, in turmoil, dictate. We badly need God's Love in this moment, not bitter hatred.

Let those of us who do not believe in God search our inner thoughts and our love for our fellow humans and let our feelings cool down before any more pronouncements.

We have only to look around this world to see that tit-for-tat actions simply do not work. We, as intelligent human beings, should be above this raw revenge - unfortunately we are not.

You may think that it is all very well for me, in my little island, to say this but I am not in the thick of things. Oh! but I am! I sit on a UN panel and in another UN committee and one of my dear colleagues had her offices in the WTC. I only pray she was on a mission yesterday and that she was spared the horror of all this mayhem, from wherever it originated (note that I am not jumping to conclusions).

So, please, please, please, reflect and don't say anything further.

With deepest sympathy to the US of A.

[PJG]

What happend in the US is beyond understanding.
Everbody here in the Netherlands is talking about it and sympathizing with the USA.

The people who did this should be found and punished (where death would be to kind IMHO)

[AlgoRhythm]

All I can say is, I thank God that my brother, the airline pilot, had landed his Airbus in NY at about 6 am yesterday. And was not involved.


AlgoRhythm

[Vidgal]

I wholeheartedly agree with Doc. It's too bad it sometimes has to come to this, but appeasement only makes it worse.

My main thoughts right now are with the victims. Yesterday taught us something about what is really important. Many did not live out the day to return home and post to their web boards, see their family and friends . . . Usually, we forget about the precious nature of our lives too soon after such events. However, I am determined to deliberately remember for at least one day for each person who perished -- maybe two days for each of the heroes on Flight 93. It looks like the passengers may have brought that plane down short of its intended target.

[Brian Ellis]

So, please, please, please, reflect and don't say anything further. (see above)

[This_Idiot]

All,

I apologise for my non-participation, I've been sent off on another assignment and have only just got the phone line switched on.

Brian, I appreciate your plea, and reading the early posts in this thread I was tempted to pull the plug. However, having carried on reading to the end of the thread, it seems to me that a lot of the immediate anger has vented itself (and therefore was a useful tool in it's own right). Moreover, my own thinking is that we should either be thinking of dedicating a thread to a kind of book of condolence, or link to another one.

In the carnage and confusion of yesterday afternoon (UK), my own experience was that I was working (yet again) away from home, this time with extremely dodgy communications and in the shadow of Canary Wharf in London's docklands. For those that aren't aware, this is the UK equivalent of the twin towers. Not as tall, but still a massive landmark and home to many financial institutions including the London headquarters of many American banks. While rumours of the American strikes were filtering through, we also heard that Canary wharf was being evacuated (including staff from our own offices there), and we were all aware of how vulnerable we were too. Believe me, a sobering experience.

All of the old-timers, and many of my web-pals here are aware of my philosophy. Consideration, not Confrontation. That doesn't make me a namby-pamby liberalist, but it (usually) helps me to focus on the necessity to prove a case before hanging the suspect. I have to admit that this is not always an easy path to adhere to, and I wouldn't claim to have been 100% effective in taking a deep breath and counting to ten.

It is, however, a discipline that I would ask others to adopt regardless of race or creed, colour or political alignment.

I join with my brothers here on the forum in condemning the attacks on the USA, in encouraging the apprehension of the surviving perpetrators so that they may be tried and dealt with according to the law, and most of all in passing my own, inadequate, commiseration to the families and friends of all those affected by these horrific actions.

I would ask that all future posts to the thread are posted in the feeling of consideration rather than confrontation, but also would encourage all of you to share your support. We are a community in our own right, it is fitting that we should share our pain and support our own members. That is the obligation of community.

In sadness

Chris
(This_Idiot)

[hippie91]

i'm glad to finally be reading posts with more thought in them than everyone's immediate reaction of anger.

i live in the midwest, and my roomate ran in right after it happened freaking out, because he constantly goes to NY to play at parties (he's a dj). all of us in this house sat around all day staring at the tv in shock. later, my dad called me to tell me that both of my sisters had been in manhatten at the time, but that they were both ok.

i agree completely that whoever did this should be found and punished, and i'd much rather that they don't find anyone for a long time, than i would people immediatly jumping to conclusions and killing a bunch of (albiet not neccicarily innocent in other terrorist cases) people, then realising it and renewing the search. also, it's not really a threat to them that we come and kill them, if they were afraid of death, then this attrocity would not have happened.

i think that we all need to take a moment to step back and take a breath and think about where to procede, and then pray that we do find all of the people responsable. they may be pissed off at the US, and i do agree that the US does overstep it's bounds all too often when dealing with other countries. but i do NOT think that a sudden attack on innocent civilians who had nothing to do with them or their problems is ok.


sadly, i can't help but thinking how people in the US would react to this same thing happening in another country. i can truthfully admit that i don't believe that many people here would care too much. for far too long we, as a country have lived in a mental paradise, assuming that only bad things happen outside of the country and will never actually effect us. although at far too high a price, at least this disaster might wake us up as a whole so that we take a good look at what's going on outside our borders, that we might care and offer real help to others when they are in need.

sure i may get flamed for some of my opinions here, and i didn't mean to write nearly this much, but i finally needed to vent.

will goodman

[KRSESQ]

I would like to add that we should all do what we can to discourage or prevent or report violence or impending violence against America's Arab/Islamic community.

The vast majority of them were either born here or came here in the sincere desire to seek a better life for themselves and their families. They range from convenience store clerks to neurosurgeons. They are law-abiding members of the community who are as shocked by this outrage as the rest of us.

Now they find themselves in the same position that Japanese-Americans did after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Their loyalty is being questioned and they are being threatened with acts of violence they did nothing to deserve.

Ultimately the perpetrators of this horrendous act will be brought to justice, one way or another. In the process, Islamic Americans will prove to be as patriotic and loyal and firm in their resolve as Americans of any other creed. In the meantime we should all do our part to make sure they don't fall victim to the same brand of senseless, hate-spawned violence that has touched us all.

Kevin

[hippie91]

good point

my gf's bosses are from iran. she came home early from work because they were all afraid that they were going to be put in camps. arabs still have terrorist acts to fear here, not only did they share the same horror that we did, but now they have to fear their own countrymen. that just won't do

[jasonjlee]

The only thing I have to write is that uppermost in any sane persons thoughts is the incredible sadness of what has happened and the prayers/thoughts that go out to all the people and their families.

From me, and everyone I have spoke to in the last to days.

Jason (UK)