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  • Pioneer A03 and DVD-RW, initial results

    Found a DVD-RW disk. Pioneer brand DVD-RW ver 1.1

    Burned a dvd_udf.iso from MSP6.5 DVD plugin re-encoded after changing SeqHeader=0 to SeqHeader=1 in ulead.ini file 5500 VBR.

    Burned image using bundled Prassi software. Disk played in PowerDVD and computer's cheapo "Fry's special" DVDROM drive, but only superficial test -- Its stand-alone DVD player or worthless for me.

    Disk error! when inserted into either APEX 1500 or Zenith players.
    Both of which "played" my first DVD-R if you ignore the video mosiac break ups and/or audio drop outs every 3-12 minutes.

    I'd ran across some claims that DVD-RW media needs to be "full erased" before writing for use in stand-alone players so its erasing now.

    Of the A03 bundled software, only Prassi and PowerDVD 3.0 appear to work. The Sonic MyDVD 2.3 and the "free" update to DVDit! LE 2.3.3 both appear worthless -- undocumented error codes writing to the A03, crashes, unbelievely poor design even if it did work, lost the ability to transcode after updating (not that it mattered as it took ~6hrs to "transcode" a 4min 45sec DV avi file (PIII-500) to whatever format it though was appropriate). Another pet peave about the Fisher-Price school of UI design is its impossible to tell what the damn program is really trying to do so there is no telling what might have gone wrong.

    Were it not for the MSP6.5 DVD plugin I'd have already returned this turkey. I'll have more to say about this later, but if you buy it (the Ulead DVD plugin) I hope your expectations are low enough, but at least it has basic functionality (apparently, what if my playback problems stem from errors in MSP6.5 MPEG2 encoding? how could I tell? If the bundled MyDVD software could do anything useful, I might have a clue).

    Oh, did you know that DVD-RW is only 1X write? slows down an already too slow process. Hopefully there are ver 1.2 blanks out there that are "pre-erased" otherwise your DVD-RW test burns will be 0.5X counting erase times.

    About the only way this thing could be worse would be if actually catches fire while "burning".

    While I'm watching this DVD (assuming it plays after erase and re-burn) I'll make a DVD-R on Apple brand media to see if Doc's SeqHeader suggestion has any effect on the video mosiac playback glitches, I've also an image of a 5500 CBR with the virgin MSP install defaults that I'll burn if the above glitches on playback (meaning SeqHeader=0 was not the problem).

    Might as well waste the whole box of 5 Apple DVD-R's while I'm at it :-)

    --wally.

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    DVD-RW forget about it!

    Waste of time and $18.

    Full erase and reburn did nada. Neither player would accept it.

    Burning Apple DVD-R with SeqHeader=1 5500VBR image now.

    --wally.

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    • #3
      SeqHeader=1 is not the answer!

      Video mosaic and/or audio dropouts didn't go away.
      They appear pretty much repeatable in the same spots on each player. But, glitches are generally not in the same spot (time index) on each player. The Apex seems to average one approx every 5 minutes with about a 3-13 minute range between glitches. The Zenith does a bit better about one glitch in 9 minutes with about a 2-20 minute spread between.

      I'll waste another blank trying 5500 CBR, then I have one left before I return the damn thing. Any suggestions?

      This is sad as the quality is very good -- pretty much every bit as good as the original SVHS tapes -- but these glitches are every bit as distracting as a vertical roll in a bad VHS tape.

      Gee, other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how'd you enjoy the play!


      Remember since the bundled software couldn't produce a disk or even an image to be burned, the problem could be 100% MSP6.5 not producing proper DVD mpeg2 streams or authoring. But its incomprehensible how Pioneer could bundle such worthless software when a life or death marketing battle was cleary on the horizon.

      My wife loves the new Zenith player because of its UI/operational features compared to the Toshiba 2109 I replaced (a real poor design).

      When I get my money back I'll give the HP unit a try.

      I can't emphasize enough the primary difficulty is if you burn a disk, pop in it a player and watch from 3-5 min you could conclude the 90% compatability claims are true. But if you watch for 10-20 minutes you're down to 50% or less, an hour, and as far as I can tell its ZERO (remember I've worn out my welcome at Circut City, they don't sell the A03, Best Buy won't hook a DVD player up to a monitor for a demo, I think I've found out why.)

      --wally.

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      • #4
        Mac Superdrive -- SOS?

        Just wondering... what feedback has there been from Mac folks who have the SuperDrive (tm)? Are they having nearly as much difficulty? I'm aware that their software is entirely different, but the drive itself is identical (I believe).

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        • #5
          Most of the people claiming success have Macs as far as I can tell.

          If I had only made a 15 min test disk I too might be saying it works great.

          I've seen a post about disks being readable initially , but becoming "unreadable" after a month.

          I've downloaded a demo of another encoding/authoring package, it should let me make a 45 min disk. Perhaps I can find out if MSP6.5 encoding/authoring is to blame. I'm certainly not the only one having trouble with the bundled MyDVD/DVDit! LE.

          --wally

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          • #6
            Actually most people with RT2000/DVDiT and the Pioneer DVD-R also have sucess in creating DVD images.

            Although Pioneer advertized the A03 as DVD compliant, they said it for themselves that some DVD set top player are not compatible and won't recognize the DVD-R/RW format.

            Just an FYI.

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            • #7
              Recognizing or "playing" the disks is not the problem. Glitch free playback is. IMHO this is the worst case scenerio -- much like those worthless old "floppy tape backup" systems. The backup function worked flawlessly, it was only when you actually tried to restore from backup that you'd find out you were often hosed!

              Would you have kept your first VCR if the playback had random vertical rolls at 3-20 minute intervals?

              I've only tried it on a freshly formated W2k system, and out of the box MyDVD can't create a disk or image. The 2.3.3 update to DVDit! LE, is this what comes with the RT2000/2500? (there are several variations), instructions are very sparse for installing the upgrade and it seems to have lost the ability to transcode on the way to DVDit! from MyDVD. I tried authoring a MSP6.5 5500VBR mpeg2 file, but after an hour or so I got "Build failed :Unknown Error DVD Error 264193" Really helpful.

              If the "successes" are only 10, maybe 20 minute projects or less they may be in for a rude surprise on a 1 hour project. OTOH maybe the entire blame is with MSP 6.5 DVD plugin authoring/encoding.

              Prassi appears to burn the disk correctly, I've gotten no error messages from it. The disk "play" the quality is very good when its not glitching.

              I've downloaded the mediostream neoDVD trial -- its supposed to let me author a 45 minut project from DV files. I'm installing it now.

              --wally.
              Last edited by wkulecz; 7 October 2001, 07:06.

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              • #8
                The neoDVD demo will only do a 15 min total disk length.

                This could easily lead to an incorrect conclusion that "it works".

                I won't be wasting a blank on this. I'll erase the DVD-RW and try again but this is not recognized by most players at all as far as I can tell (at least when burned from an MSP6.5 DVD plugin authored image).

                -- followup --
                Still wouldn't burn after reducing each clip to less than 5 minutes with its "trim" tool -- saying my project was too long for the demo version. Forget about it!

                neoDVD is a piece of crap, unless you thought the Avid Cinema 1.0 bundled with the Marvels was a great editor.

                --wally.
                Last edited by wkulecz; 7 October 2001, 10:17.

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                • #9
                  Hi Wally

                  I fell your pain.

                  However, Your "Gee, other than THAT, Mrs. Lincoln, how'd you enjoy the play!"-statement had me roling on the floor for quite some time. It's the damn funniest thing I've heard the last week or two.

                  What's really makes the sentence work in this particular rant is it's clear analogy with your particular experience.


                  It kinda resembles my relationship with my Marvel G200...

                  Q: Which driver do you want to use today?
                  #1 - The one where you can have a 16:9 resolution of the Windblows desktop so the aspect ratio is correct on your monitor or...
                  #2 - The one where the capture-ability almost work without excessive framedrops though it occasionly bluescreens you into a reboot.

                  Gee, let me see.....


                  Ghydda
                  As I always say: You can get more with a kind word and a 2-by-4 than you can with just a kind word.
                  My beloved Parhelia was twotiming with Dan Wood - now she's gone forever and all I got is this lousy T-shirt
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