"Blu-ray Disc" vs. "HD DVD": Neither Is Winning

[Brian Ellis]

Jerry

Why is it that every time we talk about buying/renting/downloading DVDs, which were all filmed at 24 fps, you try to turn the conversation to HD video cameras? Don't you even realise that this weaseling is totally irrelevant to the thread?

I think it is time that this thread was locked.

[Evildead666]

I agree. lock it up. BR has effectively won anyway, lets just leave it at that.

[Tjalfe]

Tjalfe,

What you wrote below, Tjalfe, is not true.

I can demonstrate via the following links:

http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_panasonic_pov_cameras/

http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/news/news04_000.asp

Panasonic AK-HC900 ($28,500) Web page:

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=68598&catGroupId=14617&surfModel=AK-HC900

Checkmate, Tjalfe.

You really stuck your foot in your mouth when you made the remark that you made below.

This is just too easy; it's like shooting fish in a barrel.



Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

We are discussing movie playback.. no?.. the little disks which you claim are dead. this was not a discussion about broadcast TV.

[Jerry Jones]

But don't you see, Brian?

*Film* is shot at 24 frames per second!

But, in my view and in the view of many videographers, *video* recorded by both professional and consumer cameras should be *acquired* and *edited* and *output* at 60 frames per second!

This is why the 720p format makes the most sense for *many* of us.

And the fact that there is virtually no 1080/60p acquisition, recording, editing, and output renders your Blu-ray Disc argument absolutely invalid.

Blu-ray Disc is the survivor of a war nobody cares about.

The market penetration of Blu-ray and HD DVD is tiny.

So all of the press devoted to the so-called Blu-ray "victory" is utterly meaningless.

"HD DVD" and "Blu-ray Disc" are *both* as dead as DISC-o.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

Jerry

Why is it that every time we talk about buying/renting/downloading DVDs, which were all filmed at 24 fps, you try to turn the conversation to HD video cameras? Don't you even realise that this weaseling is totally irrelevant to the thread?

I think it is time that this thread was locked.

[Jerry Jones]

Tjalfe,

How many times do I have to drive home this point?

It's you and people like you who claim Blu-ray's 1080 capability is the reason it's so great.

Yet, we find out that there is virtually no 1080/60p acquisition, recording, editing, output for Blu-ray because the world's video production industry and the broadcast world have not even advanced to the point where 1080/60p is a viable option.

So that leaves us with film.

And film is shot at 24 frames per second.

So -- given the fact that 720p cameras with recording, editing, and output *are* available in the 720/60p format, can you finally -- finally -- understand why the Apple TV's 720p high definition movies are plenty good enough for those of us who see 720p as the best value proposition?

In addition, the reason many of us don't go out and blow a wad of cash on a 1080p TV is due to the fact there's no sign the camera industry is going to offer us 1080 at a full 60 frames per second to make our investment in such screens worthwhile.

In other words, the only benefit of a 1080p screen is that you get to watch a relatively small number of Blu-ray titles in the 1080/24p format... and that's it.

You can't buy a camera that will acquire, record, and output 1080p @ 60 frames per second, so the only benefit of buying that much screen is to watch a relatively small number of Blu-ray titles... @ 24 frame per second.

For me and many others, that negates the value of spending extra for a 1080p screen.

To realize the full benefit of a 60 frames per second acquisition such as sports, we can be completely satisfied with lower cost 720p screens.

Unfortunately, many people buy 1080 *only* because the number "1080" is bigger than the number "720" and that's a silly reason to buy a 1080 set, in my view.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

We are discussing movie playback.. no?.. the little disks which you claim are dead. this was not a discussion about broadcast TV.

[Jerry Jones]

The Washingtnn Times review of the new, updated Apple TV:

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/TECHNOLOGY01/782700536/1020

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Elie]

Toshiba ends the format war declaring Blu-Ray as the winner... YAY

Now the remaining two studios will make the move to Blu Ray and life will be good.

[Brian Ellis]

Your arguments become increasingly stupid and off-topic, Jerry.

We are not discussing cameras, nor are we discussing TV screens. The subject is clearly '"Blu-ray Disc" vs. "HD DVD": Neither Is Winning', which you chose yourself.

At the time, your title was possibly apposite, but it is no longer:
Blu-Ray has won, and won handsomely. We can now expect it to start taking off as the increased demand will cause prices to drop.

Incidentally, your last argument is the most stupid yet. How can you choose a TV with 720p only when all the modern ones (at least, from 32" up) are geared for 1080p, for the same price?

OK, the topic is now resolved with Blu-Ray's victory so, can we now close this thread or will I have to ask Sasq to lock it?

[Jerry Jones]

Brian, you are quite incorrect.

This thread is about how *neither* "Blu-ray Disc" nor "HD DVD" are going to win.

Don't you get it?

The world is moving away from physical media.

And those pushing Blu-ray -- such as yourself -- are clinging to the last strand of hope in favor of physical, optical disc formats...

...you think that because Blu-ray can accommodate 1080p it will somehow "win."

I'm telling you for a fact.

1080p @ 24 frames per second is no big deal.

It's a compromise.

Meanwhile, we have Apple TV with wireless streaming of HD @ 720p -- *already* a reality.

This is why the wireless streaming of HD @ 720p -- which already exists -- and digital downloads are the *real* winner.

APPLE TV: http://www.apple.com/appletv/

"HD DVD" and "Blu-ray Disc" are both as dead as DISC-o.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Brian Ellis]

Jerry

Try this link

[Jerry Jones]

Apple TV gains support of the prestigious BBC:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aYuNIWnnh9Fc&refer=uk

Starting today, Apple will offer episodes of drama and comedy shows such as ``Torchwood,'' ``Life On Mars'' and ``Little Britain,'' the London-based broadcaster said in an e-mailed statement today. Each episode will cost 1.89 pounds ($3.68).

Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Jerry Jones]

iPod touch gains 32GB of storage.

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/

This means movies purchased through the Apple iTunes store can be shown via Apple TV *and/or* via handheld devices such as the touch, which now features this new 32GB capacity.

Bottom line: iTunes media purchases are scalable, meaning you can re-use such media purchases across multiple devices.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[Jerry Jones]

http://www.canada.com/topics/technology/story.html?id=4cd2edf5-ae9a-4bb1-b355-e52d10886a8b

Blu-Ray's Next Trial: The Internet
Home Networks; On-demand programming coming strong
David George-Cosh , Financial Post
Published: Tuesday, February 19, 2008

As Blu-ray technology appears to have won the next-generation video format war against the HD-DVD disc, a new battle may soon emerge against a more formidable foe -- the Internet.

While analysts generally agree that it may be a few years until the Web is mature enough to handle the high-definition video quality Blu-ray offers, it is poised to challenge the technology's short-lived dominance of the living room as on-demand programming becomes commonplace.

"It's very clear that distribution of digital media is moving from physical media to networks, and movies are no exception," said RedMonk research director James Governor. "It really doesn't matter how many bonus extras are packed into the disc, the ease of Internet-based distribution is going to have a major impact on the plans of the backers of Blu-ray."

The analysts realize that "HD DVD" and "Blu-ray Disc" are as dead as DISC-o.



Jerry Jones

http://www.jonesgroup.net

[paulw]

Toshiba ends the format war declaring Blu-Ray as the winner... YAY

Now the remaining two studios will make the move to Blu Ray and life will be good.

Only if you live in Region A. Region B and C .., Go suck..

[Elie]

Sorry Paul, I didn't get your statement. What's region A, B or C?

Do you mean 1, 2 or 3?