Microsoft and nVidia woes

[Gurm]

Do I have to get into this again?

*ahem*

Ok, as for clustering - no we can't computational cluster but we can certainly server cluster. That's what Advanced Server is all about.

Show me the following in Linux:

1. An office suite with 100% MS Office compatibility. It has to be 100% compatible, though. 90% isn't good enough. So that pretty much rules out Star Office, along with all the other Linux suites.

2. 3D Modeling that's on par with Maya, 3D Studio, or Lightwave.

3. Image manipulation that compares to Photoshop. Don't say Gimp, since it ain't all that. Heck, even Painshop Pro isn't in the same league as Photoshop. Nothing is.

4. Desktop Publishing and Design that compares to Frame, Quark, or Canvas.

5. CAD that compares to AutoCAD.

6. Sound editing that compares to Sound Forge et al.

7. Non-FPS games. If you take away the Quake engine, show me fun mainstream games for Linux.

8. Active Directory. 'Nuff said.

There, get back to me. We do this about once a year, and the Linux fans always end up looking like idiots. You'll come back with half a dozen apps the rest of us have never heard of, but then when we look into it, we'll discover that those apps just plain ol' suck.

- Gurm

[Dogbert]

Gurm,

Try Mac OS-X, you'll find all this stuff and more !

(Though I haven't seen a Mac in the last 4 years)

[Marshmallowman]

if you are not using office 90% is okay, latest trend for data/document storage is xml MS and linux. its becomming less of an issue everymonth..and even MS is pushing XML.

can windows be custom configured for a high perfomance light footprint kernel...So you do all you development for a processing a render or solution to problem...drop the gui kill off you uneeded process's and then use 99% of available of memory and cpu for processing...(why are a lot of graphic house moving to linux render farms) ...win can't and that is very important for a lot scientific and engineering problems..

well most render software for amatuer/pro is windows, the top end is not farmed out win boxs.

a few games...goto loki games

half life,carmagedon TDR, simsProducts - Game Demos - Postal Plus - Rune: Halls of Valhalla - Tribes 2
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri with Planetary Pack - Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 - MindRover - Rune
Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns - Deus Ex - Soldier of Fortune - Unreal Tournament
Descent3 - Quake III Arena - Heavy Gear II - SimCity 3000
Eric's Ultimate Solitaire - Heretic II - Heroes III - Myth II: Soulblighter
Railroad Tycoon II - Civilization: Call to Power

windows server farms a pretty limited they mainly do bulk non coherent processing(heaps of connections ), linux can do that but can do higlhy coherent problem solving as well...and you get the added scalleablilty and low memory footprint for gui'less cutom kernels.

I must say linux does not have a best set of destop publishing and graphic tools...thats why you get a MAC

whats so hot about active directory....

PS unix programs (and early linux) program are still compatibale and do run well on new linux systems, in fact with a recompile they can be scaled up to a lot better performance...ask the banks, unis and military about those things...(not caught up with a forced obsolencence)

[Sasq]

Maya is already ported, 3ds is on its way(afaik). not sure about lightwave....

Anyhow.. I was hopeing you guys would actually pay more attention to nV and the loss of xbox 2. Maybe I should have put that link in the soapbox to give you guys the hint

Hmmm nV looses big M$ contract... nV is being investigated by the SEC, hmmm nV will hopefully loose market share real soon with upcomming products both from ATI and Matrox......

ok guys the linux v's windows is tired...
start picking on nV

Dan

[Dogbert]

Read this:

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/features/bigbrother1

[GT98]

Originally posted by Marshmallowman

PS unix programs (and early linux) program are still compatibale and do run well on new linux systems, in fact with a recompile they can be scaled up to a lot better performance...ask the banks, unis and military about those things...(not caught up with a forced obsolencence)

Last time I checked, OpenVMS was very big in Banks and also the Military. I work supporting the hardware end of an OpenVMS system for the Army, and they are planning on going over to a Windows based system in the next 3-4 years. We just got in 2 Redhat linux Servers to act as Gateways between the OpenVMS hardware and the upcoming Windows2K workstations.

As for lunix and the desktop....well I think it has a long way to go before it becomes mainstream. Personally I think that if theres no Finanacal gain when developing software, its always going to be in state of never being finished or buggy if someone is doing it on their freetime.

With reguards to Microsoft....well I think they gainer about 20% of their profits from OS sales and something like 40-50% of their profit from Applications like MS Office and their ilk.

Scott

[Dogbert]

GT98,

Dunno about you but I just love VMS !
The Israeli army is also using lot's of VMS computers (old MicroVAX 3900 when I was there, since been upgraded to OpenVMS on Alpha) and they're also thinking about migrating to M$.

Anyway, if you're a DCL junky, check for a comapny called Acceler8.
They have a free download of DCL lite command prompt for Win32 platforms. Most lexicals are there too !!!

[Marshmallowman]

yeah I hear you Sasq, when will companies learn. Get in to bed with microsoft and you will get screwed...

I didn;t know about those ports of Maya etc...I will have to chase those up

[KvHagedorn]

Oh, c'mon.

Be real.

MS is reacting forcefully to an unreasonable request.

You can't honestly expect a company to give away the source code to a currently shipping product. Let's put aside all the "opensource is g00d sh1zzn1tz, d00d!" rhetoric for a minute, ok?

If the court insists that MS give away the source code to Windows, MS has every right to just stop selling it. Pull a Willy Wonka. Close the doors. Recall the licenses.

Will the world be "thrown into darkness"? No. Lots of people will continue using their OS'es illegally. And lots of people will switch to...

...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Ok, I couldn't hold it in any longer. If you honestly think that this will cause a mass conversion to the festering shitpile that is Linux, you are sorely mistaken.

- Gurm

You know, when Technoid first posted this, I laughed. I really didn't believe you would stoop to being a ringwraith, Gurm.. now I'm not so sure..

[Gurm]

I'm not following. Maybe it's because it's late.

- Gurm

[KvHagedorn]

Just seems peculiar to me, in light of that article, that you are so inordinately and vehemently pro-Microsoft and heap such derision upon Linux. If unix had to be made into a more feature-filled OS, it could be. It's already been done with Apple's OSX. The problems you are talking about with regards to Linux there would disappear very quickly if we needed it to be something more (in the scenario where MS stops shipping Windows.) Legacy support could be implemented with emulation, perhaps now better than at any time in years, due to an abundance of cheap superprocessors. We all could live quite comfortably in this world without Microsoft, you know.

[Gurm]

No, sorry.

You're making Linux out to be something that it isn't.

Casual users can't use it. And getting it there would involve MONEY, which of course is the anathema of the Linux world.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying it WON'T be done until someone realizes that innovation comes primarily from people who make a living at things, not sweaty hackers working from dinnertime to midnight.

- Gurm

[KvHagedorn]

I'm saying it WON'T be done until someone realizes that innovation comes primarily from people who make a living at things, not sweaty hackers working from dinnertime to midnight.

Upon what basis do you make this assertion? When "sweaty hackers" (um.. like Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates back in the 70s?) work on something they do so out of passion and a desire to perhaps create something (a business?) on their own, without being OWNED by some big corporation. That is what is called innovation. Yes, they are motivated somewhat by the end goal of money, but if money alone were to drive them, they would be some real estate rip-off artist doing infomercials on late night TV. The passion of creativity drives people, to differing degrees. When money alone drives them, you wind up with crap. That's why there are so many crappy doctors and lawyers, and software engineers at microsoft.

As I see it, innovation in this country is being stifled by big corporations. Alpha makes the best processors? Doesn't matter. Intel bought them and crushed them. Screw innovation, America is all about money. Big money getting bigger and small money being crushed. Some changes need to be made here, and soon. This is getting too extreme.. too out of hand. None of us will be free much longer the way things are going.

[Gurm]

All I'm saying is that OpenSource != Innovation.

I've seen PLENTY of perfectly good programs that went OpenSource and then just died. The first one that comes to mind is ZSNES, the kickass SNES emulator - well, it WAS kickass.

I'm not saying that sweaty geeks can't innovate. I'm just saying that they innovate BETTER when there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

-Gurm

[xortam]

Corporations and governments need SW that's compatible with their existing systems, administrators, and users. Innovations prosper best when they can live within those guidelines. It would be very difficult to infiltrate the desktop market with other than M$FT SW due to the massive past investments in those platforms. How are you going to persuade the sales and administration departments to retrain on Linux apps? They need a tool that is unobtrusive and simply helps them get their job done and they've already been using M$FT SW for quite some time.

As I said before, Linux has its place. I know of a lot of companies that are developing network devices such as file serving network appliances (NAS), media switches (e.g. cable TV), SAN switches, GBE/fibre switches, and various other network appliances. Linux works well in those environments due to its performance, size, and these appliances don't involve training the user base. I also see Wind River VxWorks on such platforms but Linux has some advantage due to the widely available apps and components. The Unix people laugh at Linux as a toy OS and wouldn't consider it for running any serious applications. Many large corporations, including Big Blue, are investing in Linux and its future is bright ... but for the right applications.