AMD or Intel?: Part Deux!

[leech]

Originally posted by Byock
Sorry, I thought the article was skimping on Info too.

Sorry to go off topic, but god, you're a post whore.

Back on topic. Personally, I've always felt that Intels do the job for me, and usually when I upgrade, it's not so much as money I'm concerned with, but any hardware configuration headaches I might get from getting a funky chipset. Intel chipsets are usually quite stable, and wth AMD's you have to chose between several different chipset manufacturer's, and who knows what kind of weird glitches they might have (like the 760mpx chipset and it's broken USB)..

Leech

[dsp]

Nuno,

I did think that the article was skimping on information (Very different from his normal articles). I respect and need opinions so people can tell me what we are doing wrong, so we can fix it.

Dogbert,

Very true, the prices are very different at the lower speed grades (till about the 2200+), but Rugger was talking about the 2400+ and 2.4 for an 'apples to apples' comparison.

Wombat,

You're right, each should be compared fairly via equal performance levels (i.e. 2400+ to 2.4GHz).

[Evildead666]

The next versionof the Athlon processor is set to have SSE2 as well.
That leaves Intel with MMX/SSE/SSE2
AMD with 3DNow!(normal/pro/extended) and MMX/SSE/SSE2.
alright, some of these are one and the same, but spoken differently. (ie 3DNow Pro is said 'SSE') they just have to make things complicated in these markets....

[Nuno]

DSP: Your honesty and open mind are very appreciated.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by rugger
dsp,

I am about to eat my foot

Athlon XP 2400+ is 409 boxed with CPU/heatsink

I guess intel is definitely better value at this product point.

I'd change shop if I were you

They're pretty much tied from 2400 ++

[Kurt]

Originally posted by leech
Sorry to go off topic, but god, you're a post whore.

Back on topic. Personally, I've always felt that Intels do the job for me, and usually when I upgrade, it's not so much as money I'm concerned with, but any hardware configuration headaches I might get from getting a funky chipset. Intel chipsets are usually quite stable, and wth AMD's you have to chose between several different chipset manufacturer's, and who knows what kind of weird glitches they might have (like the 760mpx chipset and it's broken USB)..

Leech

you have the same choice if not more for pentium chipsets (Intel, VIA, SIS, Ali, Serverworks...). Intel chipsets have their problems too, only more ppl try to make their products work with them since they command a larger share of the chipset market (and have better drivers than you know who... ). Ppl follow the leader, nothing wrong/strange with that...

[knirfie]

did Intel cut their prices or something?

Intel P4-2400 €249
AMD 2400+ €265

both boxed versions

[The AngeL]

Sorry people but that's a flamethread rather than a discusion Thread .

ImHo if you wanna buy a CPU u should buy it only if you have asked the following Questions:
1.What do i need the CPU for ????? (e.gGaming,enconding)
2.How long will i work on this CPU ?????
3.Which are the best plattforms / chipset for the CPUs ???? (Athlon-->NF2, PIV-->i850E)
4.How much performance do i need ????
5.So which of the CPUs in the market is answering my Questions @ a good level????
THEN GO AND BUY.


ImHO i bought a PIV 1.6(Unlocked S423) a long time ago, but i first thought that:
1.i need my CPU for DivX5 encoding, linuxkernel compiling and Photoshop.
2.My CPU will work me for the next 2 Years.
3.So the bet plattform for my intel was the i850 with Rambus
4.My system should be quiet and this @ the lowest cost.
5.I thought that i don't need a CPU @ 2.5 or 3.0Ghz because such CPU are now ridiculous by so high costs.

It is simple. You should think what you will do with your CPU/System. Before i used to have a Athlon System because i gamed a lot, but now i don't game anymore and if you wanna have a quiet & cool Athlon system you will spend a lot of many for cooling solutions and etc. The Athlon imho is a ery good CPu but the VIA Chipsets are the really malfunction and bugged Part of an Athlon Sytem. So if i ever would build another Athlon System again then NEVER with Via. The best Athlon config ist Xp2000+ with NForce2.

[Novdid]

Angel, the Northwoods at speeds higher than 2.4GHz run just as hot if not hotter than the Tbred XP's.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by The AngeL
Sorry people but that's a flamethread rather than a discusion Thread .

ImHo if you wanna buy a CPU u should buy it only if you have asked the following Questions:
1.What do i need the CPU for ????? (e.gGaming,enconding)
2.How long will i work on this CPU ?????
3.Which are the best plattforms / chipset for the CPUs ???? (Athlon-->NF2, PIV-->i850E)
4.How much performance do i need ????
5.So which of the CPUs in the market is answering my Questions @ a good level????
THEN GO AND BUY.


ImHO i bought a PIV 1.6(Unlocked S423) a long time ago, but i first thought that:
1.i need my CPU for DivX5 encoding, linuxkernel compiling and Photoshop.
2.My CPU will work me for the next 2 Years.
3.So the bet plattform for my intel was the i850 with Rambus
4.My system should be quiet and this @ the lowest cost.
5.I thought that i don't need a CPU @ 2.5 or 3.0Ghz because such CPU are now ridiculous by so high costs.

It is simple. You should think what you will do with your CPU/System. Before i used to have a Athlon System because i gamed a lot, but now i don't game anymore and if you wanna have a quiet & cool Athlon system you will spend a lot of many for cooling solutions and etc. The Athlon imho is a ery good CPu but the VIA Chipsets are the really malfunction and bugged Part of an Athlon Sytem. So if i ever would build another Athlon System again then NEVER with Via. The best Athlon config ist Xp2000+ with NForce2.

You're right in saying you should know what your needs are before buying the wrong product. 90+% of the ppl just don't do it...

now, the XP2000+ is not the best to put with nForce2...try the 2600/333...it's "cheap enough" and it's faster than the regular FSB266 models, unless you want to stay in the budget segment...but then an XP1800+ with an ECS SIS board will do the trick for a lot cheaper...

[PowerHungry]

I remember reading an article somewhere (sorry I can't give a link) that went deep into why Athlons run hotter than P4s. The article basically found that while the Intels ran at a lower idle speed, they did get just as hot as the Athlons when both were under full load.

It had something to do with the Atlons not going into a deeper sleep mode, and so they were always running at some percent of full capacity, instead of shutting down like the Intels.

Just thought that info might add a little to the discussion.

[Kurt]

yep...the other problem with the Athlon is they don't have a heat spreader on top and their overheating protection is not as advanced as that of the P4. If they were to _not_ burn with a fan failure _and_ not shut down the PC, they'd be server material. couple them with a decent Tyan board...

[PowerHungry]

Informercial Slogan - "With the Athlon XP, you'll feel the burn"!

[Novdid]

Originally posted by PowerHungry
I remember reading an article somewhere (sorry I can't give a link) that went deep into why Athlons run hotter than P4s. The article basically found that while the Intels ran at a lower idle speed, they did get just as hot as the Athlons when both were under full load.

It had something to do with the Atlons not going into a deeper sleep mode, and so they were always running at some percent of full capacity, instead of shutting down like the Intels.

Just thought that info might add a little to the discussion.

That is true for the old Thunderbirds, they did remedy that issue in the Palomino. I guess you read the article quite some time ago.

[The AngeL]

i must add that the Athon CPus are not really able for idle mode and that's the point why they get a liittle bit hotter.