I'm out of here, people.

[az]

Wombat, but this isn't because of PPPoE, AFAIK. There are a number of ISPs here who give you DSL (traditionally PPPoE here, IIRC) with a fixed IP address. They cost more, of course.

AZ

[The Rock]

Well, you can't get TOO spicy in the temp forum, which is what I was referring to. The censorship exists there too. Seen that many times. But I don't want to start an argument here man. I will read your post in the lounge too for my own better understanding.

Bart

[Kurt]

@Dghost: takes 15mins to call the ISP and have the settings changed. Also, with a <100€ router you can change its MAC from your web browser - no need to buy a NIC.

@Wombat: PPPoE/PPPoA is like dial-up here. As long as you've registered for the service, you can use any ISP's login/pwd combination. The local Telco (owner of the DSL netwok) will gladly forward all your IP traffic to the ISP you've selected. If you need to change IP fast, just disconnect and reconnect with another account...(or use dial-up, there are dozens ISPs)

The IPv4 is just not designed in a secure manner. Period. It's way too easy to change all it's parameters. Hopefully IPv6 will solve all that (but it's not nearly here yet).

[Wombat]

Originally posted by Kurt
@Wombat: PPPoE/PPPoA is like dial-up here. As long as you've registered for the service, you can use any ISP's login/pwd combination. The local Telco (owner of the DSL netwok) will gladly forward all your IP traffic to the ISP you've selected. If you need to change IP fast, just disconnect and reconnect with another account...(or use dial-up, there are dozens ISPs)

That's the opposite of my problem. I want to keep the IP, not lose it.

[Kurt]

You can probably pay for a fixed IP. Or use Tzo or DynDNS or another service. Again Ipv6 should solve all your problem, bring worldpeace, and promote Haig to presidency.

[GNEP]

I use Zoneedit and a dynDNS client to make my domain name always point to my dynamic IP address - which gets changed once a day or so. When I next move house I will move on to a fixed IP service - it's just I can't be bothered changing ISP at the moment.

[Wombat]

Yeah, I could pay for a "business" account, but that's very expensive.

IPv6 <I>could</I> solve those problems, but ISPs still WANT those problems, so they'll keep them.

[GNEP]

In the UK you can get static IPs on home ADSL accounts for the same price these days - having said that though, if someone wanted broadband and had no technical clue, and never wanted to do anything like running a webserver or gaining remote access to their machines, surely a dynamic IP would be marginally safer as an option anyway would it not?

[Wombat]

Only an infinitesimal margin. They'll still get blasted with the same portscans, and if they ever get infected with something, it's usually made to handle changing IPs these days.

[GNEP]

Hence the "marginally"

[The PIT]

Originally posted by GNEP
In the UK you can get static IPs on home ADSL accounts for the same price these days - having said that though, if someone wanted broadband and had no technical clue, and never wanted to do anything like running a webserver or gaining remote access to their machines, surely a dynamic IP would be marginally safer as an option anyway would it not?

Mine static by default which I don't like but then it's one of the cheaper ISP's.
Dynamic would be better and a little more secure but it also depends on how long you lease lasts. Like Wombat says you still get port scanned etc and the nasties are still there.

[Kurt]

Static is useful in some cases. Dynamic offers no protection whatsoever unless you're a direct target from a specific attacker and he can't get enough time to find your IP (highly unlikely).