HP Flat Panel Monitor L2335

[xortam]

I ordered the display late last night (actually more like early this morning when many working folks here are just getting out of bed ). HP will refund me, minus the $25 shipping, if I return the display within 30 days. I posted the compatibility question at Matrox but they just asked me to contact pre-sales. I sent off a message to sales and we'll see what they have to say. I expect the Parhelia will drive this display just fine at its native resolution through DVI. I also think the ATI 9600/9800 cards will as well. I also want a card that will play Doom III at full tilt.

[schmosef]

Keep us posted on your success.

[Helevitia]

Hey xortam, check out this thread that I posted about the new specs of the X800. Sounds like a kick ass card to use for your setup. Also note that it supports a new type of AA, Temporal AA. From what I understand, it basically changes AA patterns(up to 3) every frame so it tricks your eyes into thinking that you are getting higher AA then you really are. For instance, if you use 2xAA and then turn on TAA, you get the appearance of 4xAA without any performance hit. It looks like it has a draw back though.

If you have low fps then you get flickering because your eyes are detecting the different patterns. Somebody suggested in another forum that the best use would probably be with HD since HDTV sets have a fixed refresh rate. Anyway, something to think about.

Dave

[Ribbit]

Originally posted by schmosef
From what I can tell, the ATI website only lists analog modes supported. Maybe if you download an ATI manual it will be more specific.

I've got a FireGL 8800 (basically a professional R8500 - still haven't installed it yet though) and I'm sure it's specced to do 1920x1200 over the DVI port, as long as you only use one output. So I think you'd be fairly safe going with any modern ATi. Certainly the information you want is in the downloadable manual.

[xortam]

Thanks Dave! This card looks really promising ... I'll check it out. Good timing here. I'm just getting things started. The monitor is still on back-order and it should be here by early May, which in HP speak means any time before mid-month. The HTPC case I want is supposed to be available today but no word yet. I'm narrowing my choices of MB and CPU so I can quickly get the basics put together. The graphics card will need to be there when I'm done with this first stage.

Any DVI card will support my monitor if it can run with reduced blanking interval. The HD orientation of the ATI card should come in handy if they exploit its capabilities. I already have my OTA ATSC tuner card with DVI out and it is a superior scaler as well as MPEG-2 decoder. I doubt the ATI card could keep up in that department but the additional video processing might be interesting. The other decodes will come in handy and the blazing 3D speed is very important. I hope to hear some reviews on its image quality soon.

I wonder how the temporal AA feature will do on the various new 1080p fixed pixel displays; some may be 1080p30 or 1080p24. Probably won't know the answer to that until the end of the year.

[rylan]

Hey, sorry I got in this thread late. 1920x1200 maxes out the single channel DVI spec, so its possible assuming the graphics card tmds transmitter and layout was designed very well. It should be a piece of cake for the card to do with reduced blanking, since that will slow down the data clock. The graphics card should read the panel EDID and set the timings based on that. Basically standard timings are really 'fat' on the blanks to allow for large variations in sync sensitivity across differant panel manufacturers. Reducing the blank lets you reduce some of the extra wasted portion of the clock, and reduce the clock rate. Only thing about that panel is they say 16ms response time -typical-... makes me wonder what the max is. Oh also if I remember correctly, pixelworks does some funky things with their scalar chip to try to save memory, since they don't have enough embedded dram to buffer a full frame past 1600x1200, so they do some compression and crap to the data.

[xortam]

Originally posted by rylan
... Only thing about that panel is they say 16ms response time -typical-... makes me wonder what the max is. ...

The user reviews have been very favorable in regards to both response time as well as PQ.

... Oh also if I remember correctly, pixelworks does some funky things with their scalar chip to try to save memory, since they don't have enough embedded dram to buffer a full frame past 1600x1200, so they do some compression and crap to the data.

Have you checked out the chip specs? ... http://www.pixelworks.com/product/guide_monitor.pdf .

[rylan]

Yeah, note however they don't tell you how big tyhe framebuffer is
I'd have to look up the full specs on that part at work to check, but I'd assume they do the same type of thing. It works fine for almost any color app you can think of. We saw the problem with grayscale, so don't worry about it.

Anyway that monitor should be pretty sweet.

[xortam]

Man ... I don't know if I'll ever get this monitor. It will be one month since I ordered it on the 16th. They've got 600 on backorder and maybe it will ship by the end of the month. I think they just keep giving half-month estimates every time they miss shipment.

[Helevitia]

That sucks man. I'm really interested in hearing how you like the monitor.

Dave

[VJ]

Originally posted by xortam
So basically you're limiting it to the capture of digital images.

I'd say it is more than merely capture: hardware discussions (new cameras, features), samples and galleries, questions regarding post processing, ...

But it is relatively quiet over there...


The HP panel is a bit out of my league, I might be looking at some decent Eizo display though...


Jörg

[xortam]

Originally posted by VJ
I'd say it is more than merely capture: hardware discussions (new cameras, features), ...

That falls within my description.

... samples and galleries, ...

digital content, which perhaps will be viewed on a digital display.

... questions regarding post processing,

Both video and still?

... But it is relatively quiet over there...

Maybe its time to expand.

[VJ]

Originally posted by xortam
which perhaps will be viewed on a digital display.

Yes, although I think printing (of photos) also has a place there...

Both video and still?

Only still; for video, there is the Desktop Video forum.

I also forgot about photography techniques: depth of field, use of filters (physical filters, like polarizers), impact of aperture, problems in long exposure, ...

Maybe its time to expand.

Well, it has its ups and downs... Main reason (I think) for the creation of the Digital Imaging is that sometimes there are a lot of posts concerning digital cameras.
You think we should advertise in the other forums?

Jörg

[xortam]

Got tired of waiting on HP to get around to shipping these monitors again so I started to search yesterday. I finally found a place that had it in stock and I'm having them ship it out to me this week and at the same net price as my HP order. I saw the commercial version of this moinior, the f2304, tonight at Fry's. They just set it up this afternoon. It looks great and I look forward to getting my L2335. The f2304 is $500 more and has side speakers integrated into the bezel. I didn't want the speakers (or any tuner) in my monitor so I'm glad I'm saving the $500.

[Greebe]

I'm of the same mind... no need for expensive extras