Dell 3007 on Dec 21 - Refreshes of the 2005 and 2405 in Feb/Mar

[Helevitia]

Not on mine. Is he using DVI?

Are you referring to the ghosting? Yes, he is using DVI and I can definitely notice a "ghosting" effect in some games.

Disappear and reappear? Sorry, that's not the monitor. I can't imagine MS having a bug

No, it's the monitor. We take the same game, hook it up to his TV and the problem goes away.

[gt40]

could be due to the fact the game is not running at the monitors native resolution?

[schmosef]

I've not seen any ghosting on mine. But then I don't play those twitch games much.

[GT98]

I've been reading about issues with the 2405FP and Xbox360. Mostly about it not playing the games at 720P

[schmosef]

hmm... I could have sworn that I made a post to respond to this already...

oh well...

What I thought I'd written was that I'd heard, here I think, that the scaler tech and image filtering in the 2405FP isn't very good so non native resolution sources don't look as good as they would on an LCD TV which would have better tech for that.

[Wombat]

Are you referring to the ghosting? Yes, he is using DVI and I can definitely notice a "ghosting" effect in some games.

I agree with it being the scaler. This monitor wasn't meant to run arbitrary source resolutions.

No, it's the monitor. We take the same game, hook it up to his TV and the problem goes away.

No, it's not the monitor. You're describing a rendering problem, and monitors have nothing to do with that. There's no way that the monitor could remove an object from the display (and probably display something else?).

[Helevitia]

Admittedly, I know very little about display technologies, but is it possible that between refreshes and response times that the monitor could lose part of the picture for a fraction of a second? Becasue that is what it looks like is happening to me.

[Wombat]

Admittedly, I know very little about display technologies, but is it possible that between refreshes and response times that the monitor could lose part of the picture for a fraction of a second? Becasue that is what it looks like is happening to me.

Nope, LCDs don't refresh like CRTs do. The image doesn't fade. The data gets updated (probably 60Hz) by the video card, but the monitor doesn't have any reason to change the image otherwise.

[Helevitia]

What about somethig like this:

You move a square from point A to point B. The square doesn't move from point A and then suddenly it is at point B, even though you should have seen it slide from point A to point B. Is this possible? Becasue that is exactly what I am seeing.

[Wombat]

What about somethig like this:

You move a square from point A to point B. The square doesn't move from point A and then suddenly it is at point B, even though you should have seen it slide from point A to point B. Is this possible? Becasue that is exactly what I am seeing.

Something generating the video signal can't handle it, then. Your monitor screen doesn't care what it's displaying. It wouldn't be "harder" for the monitor to change the colors like that. Well, maybe for the scaler. If your 2405 is like my 2005, then in the menus you should have the ability to turn off scaling, and show input video at its native resolution. Give that a shot - the image won't fit the monitor perfectly, but it won't be scaled. If you still have the problem then, I blame the Xbox.

[Helevitia]

But why would it not happen with the TV? I'm not convinced yet that it isn't the monitor. And it is a 2005 not a 2405. I'll tell him to turn off scaling and try it.

Dave

[Wombat]

But why would it not happen with the TV? I'm not convinced yet that it isn't the monitor. And it is a 2005 not a 2405. I'll tell him to turn off scaling and try it.

Dave

Two things:

1. The TV and monitor may not be displaying the same resolutions. What resolution is the Xbox outputting in each case?
2. As has already been mentioned, the scalar chip in the monitor isn't very powerful. LCD TVs usually have a faster/more expensive scalar because they're much more likely to be given oddball resolutions.

[Paulr]

Dell to release the new 30" display to compete with the Apple 30" on December 21st. Sweet!

I'm also hearing that the 2007 and 2407 (updates to the 2005 and 2405) will be out in the spring time.

Too bad the refresh on the Dell 30" isn't good enough for games (14ms).

http://www.engadget.com/entry/123400...0831/#comments

Interesting.
I game on my 2005FPW (which has a 16ms response rate) and it is absolutely fine.
I did have an NEC 1760NX (17" LCD before) and that had a 16ms response rate and that too was 100% fine for gaming.
So surely a 14ms response rate panel should work as well....

[Fluff]

Could it not be a deinterlacing problem? Can you force the xbox to run in progressive?

[GT98]

Could it not be a deinterlacing problem? Can you force the xbox to run in progressive?

The Xbox360 displays 720P native. Not sure what the old Xbox does.