How will G400 Max compete with NV10 or Voodoo4?

[franksch4]

Still:

Quake I, II and III will immidiately be accelerated by T&L if it is built in in the OpenGL driver. Which happens ofcourse.

Quake I, II and III use the transformation pipeline of OpenGL and will immediately get accelerated.

John Carmack and Brian Hook have been the ones warning other developers to use the rendering pipeline of the use API instead of a self developed one. Most of the time that transformation pipeline is just as fast and will use T&L if it is available.

Direct3D games which use the transformation pipeline of Direct3D could be accelerated. I don't see any reason why the whole API should be turned upside down.

The only changes which happen in DirectX 7 is that Direct3D will be enhanced and easier to use for developers. It is being developed by both Microsoft and Silicon Graphics (OpenGL). The best of both worlds.

Greetings
Frank Schoondermark

[Himself]

Yop,

Altavista's bable fish says you sig means:
"Lark hair with the cap"

Hehheh

Je ne sais pas le Francais.

[Gurm]

It doesn't MATTER what T&L will do for Quake2 since NO CARD SUPPORTING T&L ((in a useful manner) WILL BE OUT BEFORE THE YEAR 2000!

How do I know, you ask? I just do. In fact, I will make the following wager:

If ANY manufacturer makes it to market with a NEW chipset that supports T&L and/or a lot of other NEW features, I will eat my G400. Honestly. I'll even post GIFs.

That's right. If I'm wrong, I'll destroy my beloved G400 and run out and buy a new NV5000 or 3dfx Naptha or whatever the hell it is.

HOWEVER, in order for this to happen the NEW card must fulfill the following conditions:

1. Available in quantity. This means I have to be able to wander down to my local CompUSA or Micro Center or Best Buy (I live in Boston, this shouldn't be hard) and purchase one, off the shelf, in a nice retail box.

2. Working drivers. This means a substantial number of my games have to run without crashing or major graphical anomalies. In addition, this means NO 2D glitches of any kind... otherwise the drivers are considered a failure.

3. High image quality. On my viewsonic 21" monitor I should not have to squint to see the text. This is currently ONLY the case with cards from Matrox and ATI. If nVidia, S3, or 3dfx can produce such a card, I will gladly buy it.

4. The card must cost $300 or less. This automatically disqualifies already-in-existence cards from 3D Labs.

5. It must be faster than the current crop of cards in every way, in all tests, with the new features turned on.

Ok, that's it. I don't think it can happen. And if YOU think it can happen but "not with those conditions", then you don't REALLY think it can happen either.

- Gurm

[tylau]

6 days to the rise of once chicken hearted!

[Genom]

Heh. You guys are funny.

[franksch4]

Gurm, I was only commenting that Quake I, II and III will automaticly be accelerated.

Personally I don't believe that the NV10 and Rampage, etc will ship before the end of the year. Although some hardware sites are already in the process of enormous hyping.

Releasing it this fast will only cut sales of their current crop of 3D chips. Probably some might arrive around Q1 and Q2 of 2000.

And indeed they must be produced in big amounts. I'm getting fed up with the bad availability of the G400 and G400 MAX in Holland (read Europe).

If I'm lucky I might have on the end of August. Some companies recieve their batch somewhere at the end of September. I never had this problem when I bought the Voodoo2 when it got released in Holland. Every store had enough.

[cpld005]

Til these cards are actually produced and are running in people's machines they are Vapour Ware pure and simple. Someone earlier in the thread said that the G400 is slower then a TNT2 This is false, I have used both a DiamondMM V770 Ultra O/C'd to 175/200 and a vanilla G400 O/C'd to 150/200 (nearest figures) and it easily wiped the floor with the TNT2 at higher resolutions and color depths. 3DMark Max showed the G400 beating the TNT2 by 200 3DMrks and I am sure the Max would wipe the floor with my G400 O/C'd. As far as Quake stuff goes, the ICD has not been optimised pure and simple and reviewers like AGN3D have already confirmed that the new ICD will take the G400 (vanilla BTW) to near TNT2 levels in Quake II. But to my original point why ponder something that isn't going to be released til next year? Nvidia will not have the NV10 released in September, and 3DFX cannot even got theit V3 3500 rolled out let alone a new card by Christmas, I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

[tylau]

Just 4 days to god's speed!!!!