g400max , finally here BUT IT IS SOO SLOW !!!!!

[M Ragsdale]

"Ragsdale , even if i could get 30 or 35 Fps in Unreal at 1024*768 ...WHO CARES ???
My other card , tnt2ultra achieves 45 FPS and my v2SLI cards get 55 FPS !!!!
So in the end , g400max just sucks ..that is all for now ...,maybe it changes in the future with new drivers but NOW , my g400max SUCKS !!!!!!"

"YOU FOOL !!!!!!!!"

"And i think IT IS VERY ENLIGHTNING for the others to know that FOR NOW it is better NOT TO BUY a g400max ! (this can change rapidly when new drivers are released though)"

Yeah, sounds like he really needs help. A few people have offered suggestions, and he blows it off, instead he comes in here saying what a piece of crap the G400 is. **** people like that

Matt

[tombman]

Ok, Mister "i know everything" , THEN TELL ME HOW HIGH YOUR SCORES ARE in Unreal at 1024*768 !! You will NEVER reach 40 FPS !!!!!

I have read many reviews that the g400max is strong in direct3d ...BUT IT IS NOT !!

I don´t know what kind of relations you have with matrox , but SUCK IT DOWN MAN : with this drivers the g400max CANNOT COMPETE with the tnt2ultra !! (i have them both !!)

I am complaining about the direct3d scores mainly and NOT about the opengl scores .
I got ~ 2150 3dmarks at 1600*1200*32 with the tnt2ultra (170/210) and only 1700 with the g400max (not oced) !!
(explain THAT!)

[Joel]

I have to agree with Matt. He did not even come here asking for help. And with the way he is carrying on I wonder if he even has a G400 at all. There is defintely something wrong in his setup, if he does have the G400, because even the worst review on the web has the G400 performing better that what he is stating, even with a lesser machine. Even my machine is performing better than what he's stating and I have an AMD K6-2/400.

Joel

I think the problem is driver conflicts because the TNT uninstaller does not clean everything like the Matrox uninstaller does. And I know this from experience.

[M Ragsdale]

"THEN TELL ME HOW HIGH YOUR SCORES ARE in Unreal at 1024*768 !! You will NEVER reach 40 FPS !!!!!"
No, I won't reach 40 fps, I have a G200, but I do get 28 fps.

"I have read many reviews that the g400max is strong in direct3d ...BUT IT IS NOT !!"
You are wrong, it is strong in D3D, you have set something up wrong. Definitely without a doubt, something is wrong.

"SUCK IT DOWN MAN"
Just finished my second beer, thanks for the encouragement.

"I am complaining about the direct3d scores mainly and NOT about the opengl scores .
I got ~ 2150 3dmarks at 1600*1200*32 with the tnt2ultra (170/210) and only 1700 with the g400max (not oced) !!
(explain THAT!)"
I would try what haig has told you, Jorden has a good idea, SlurpDog gave you a clue, too. (TRY THAT!, let me know if your scores improve).

Matt









[This message has been edited by M Ragsdale (edited 08-02-99).]

[Kruzin]

I can explain it - you're a moron.
If you had the brains to ask for help, you'd get it, but instead, you spread your legs, and insert your head up your ass.

I can tell you my Unreal scores...at 1024x768, on a p2-350@412, with a vanilla, non-o/cd G400, I got 29.2fps on the flyby. 4 fps more than you, on a much lesser processor, with the slower model of the card.

The fact that you have the MAX, and 150MHz more for a processor, makes it more than obvious to me that you set something up wrong. If I had your rig, I would have no problem getting Unreal up to 40fps.

So why dont you just "suck it up", and just admit you have no idea what you are doing, or what you are talking about.

If you want to try to solve the problem, I suggest changing your attitude, and showing people you can act like an adult instead of a whiny little brat. You'd be surprised how far people will go out of their way for you, if you'j just show some maturity.

[tombman]

If you guys can give me just one single number :

3dmark99max , 1600*1200*32 , 32 bit z-buffer , triple buffering with a PIII >= 500Mhz and a g400max not oced .

than i will install the g400max back and see if it is not THAT bad

Unfortunately i LOVE playing quake3test and i think THERE the g400max is WAY to slow NOW !

So GIMME NUMBERS !!!!! (i don´t believe that some old tnt2 drivers or other programs
****ed up my g400max ...but who knows )

Cu.......

[tombman]

I did NOT come here to show maturity or to be mister nice guy !!!
I just want the facts !!
And if i WANT to behave like a little brat
then i WILL DO IT , because FOR ME , it is FUN doing so ! This is one reason i LOVE the internet ! My IQ is at 135 and above and I don´t feel like a moron , ok ?!
When i hear you talking , kruzin , i usually fell asleep ! I am not interested , MR TEACHER !

The only thing that was worth writing was your unreal score ..thank you for that one .

[M Ragsdale]

LOL. Bwahahahahaha. Oh god, you you're killing me. 135? you mean 53.1, surely. Just like I thought, you are one of Jerry's Kids. I figured you just right, you are not here for help, you already know everything. You just come looking for a little fun, well shoot away, Junior.

Matt

[Quantum2]

Hey, what version of Unreal is this? Sounds like your not up to date, or you have driver remnants from the multiple card set ups you obviously have. In fact, with a p3, 356MB ram, a TNT Ultra, Voodoo2 SLI, AND a MAX, you are like spending WAAAY too much money on your PC. Here's the deal, I'll buy your MAX off of you, for $200 USD, sent it to me in Australia. I'll then set it up on my PC, and post the benchmarks, hows that sound?

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[Haig]

Hi Dualhead,

I have the reg doc in front of me and I don't see any mention of Peer 2x.

You sure he didn't say anything like AGP Aperature?

I think that Ant has the reg hack for 2x already posted in his news section, so you can use that and then check with SiSoft to make sure you are in 2x.

To date, we haven't seen any mobo's in house not supporting 2x with the G400.

Tombman, something is definately wrong somewhere in your system. With your type of setup, you should easily be getting > 40fps.

If you have access to another machine that NEVER had the TNT card, then install our card first and run the test. Then use our un-installer to remove our drivers and try it with your TNT card and compare. I rather you put in our drivers first because I don't know how well the TNT uninstaller is.

Also, in your machine, put the AGP aperature size to 256 and try that and make sure nothing is conflicting with our card (irq and memory adresses in device manager).

Haig

[Gurm]

Tombman:

Don't go bragging about your puny substandard little IQ, ok? Some of us in here are well over 180 but we don't go trying to shove it in people's faces.

I can tell you that in Quake3 my 1024x768 numbers are around 40fps. I don't trust the timedemo on that thing any further than I can throw it.

In Unreal, in D3D, _EVERY_ card sucks.

Now, why don't you go to the top of the thread and start TRYING some of the stuff that people suggest, instead of just shooting off your mouth? Hmm?

Go try all of those suggestions. If they don't work then you can bitch, not before. If I hear you bitch in here again, I'll use my superior intellect to crush your brain. Understood?

- Gurm

[djroberts]

"all you g400max owners : please try to make the same benchmarks as i have done
and post the numbers !!! (maybe i have done something wrong "

Sounds like a request to me. Maybe people on this board can give tombman a break.

Sorry Tombman but I play neither game, I do have Q3 test but haven't benchmarked, although I'm sorry to say on my P3-500 my Xentor32 runs Q3 much faster then the G400 Vanilla does (Can't say for the Max).

Matt offers state of the art helpfullness doesn't he? A bag full of joy! or something.

- DJ

[Spider]

dont agry with U ?

3D Mark 99 MAX -1024x768x16 = 4710

Ziff Davis 3D winbench 99 ver.1.2=1030

not o/c , default setings , TRIP-BUFF ON

when I O/C m,y PIII 450 @505 I get waven HIGHER score in 3D Mark 99MAX =4980

so its not SO SLOW at all & I have only a SingleHead Matrox MILL-G400 32 mb not the MAX version..... IF U WANT I WLL BE GLEAD TO CHNGE IT WITH YOURS .... I bet I get HIGHER score then any TNT2 or UTNT2 with MAX-G400...just give to me ...

[Patryk2000]

There's definitely something wrong, I get 36fps at QIII 1024x768-32Bits Max Details TimeDemo Q3Test1

Ok, here's something u could check :
When I first intell my G400 in Win98, G4Set indicates that my G400 is running at AGP1x so actually what I do is I use the PD5RegHacks to force it to AGP2x. And when I reboot G4Set says AGP2x and I get better results.

Hope this helps.

[Teletubby]

Hi All,

Ive only had my G400 (standard 32MB overclocked to 147/197) for about 10 days, and I think its excellent.

Here are some benchmarks.
3DMark MAX
800x600x32 - 3972
1024x768x32 - 3949

Unreal (v224F) 39.2 FPS @ 1024x768

My system is P2-400 (ocleocked to 112x4 = 448Mhz), 192 MB Ram, Asus P2B M/B, SB Live.


I think the guy who is moaning about performance out of his max has not installed the lates Unreal patch.
BUT, My older setup of V2 Sli, was outperforming this G400, higher figures in same res for 3DMark Max, and also 56FPS at 1024x768 in Unreal.

However, comparing the matrox to any other card, even tho the frame rates are a little lower, the superb colour alone warrants the change !
Compared to this G400, ANY nVidia card produces washed out and dull colours, Ive seen them side by side.
Image quality is definately much better, even withought using the extra features.

BTW Anyone know how to put Half Life into 32Bit Mode ? Its good anyway, in D3D but I cant see any 32Bit option