Be careful !! usbsupp.exe screwed my system !!

[MK]

Hi !

StevieC - look at my signature I got a Celery. But thank you anyway.


Greetings

Mk

[billko]

I wish I could fix it for you, but maybe I could jog somebody's memory?

The USB support included with Win95B has support for DIME, and I think the problem is related to that.

Bill

[Slartibartfast]

I won't argue you out of using Win95, but anyone who thinks that Win95 is more stable, faster, or better than Win98 is very confused.

- Slarty

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[carlmeister]

hey Slarty, enlighten me please if I am confused? My take on Windows 98, is it's Win95 with a new coat of paint. Its got some neat features, dual monitor, some updated hard drive utilities,better USB support, ability to share your modem and updated drivers (what a joke, when was the last time you even used the driver CD from a manufacturer? By the time you buy the hardware, they are two revisions out of date). But you get other crap like IE5, more vague icons on the task bar,(leave it to Microsoft to give 16 different ways until Sunday to access the control panel. an exageration on my part, but it's apt and descriptive) . You also get the famous Microsoft Butt wiper (task manager), just what I wanted another was another useless, resource sucking app that I have to edit the registry to get rid of. Please tell me that they've actually altered the kernal code and that get less BSOD (blue screens of death). Tell me how much memory you allocate, just sitting at the desktop? I understand I am just pissing in the wind, I will end up with a app or hardware that will require just Win98 and will be dragged kicking a screaming to the next computer show to pick up a new copy, just don't diss me and my Win95 OSR 2.1 just yet.

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[Kruzin]

All that crap can be turned off.
Task Manager is not running on mine.
Neither is Active desktop, or any of the additional annoying icons on the task bar.
Once you shut all that crap off, it does fine.

[Spacegoat]

ahem.. it was IE 4 included with win98

[The PIT2]

IE5 with windoze 98 SE and what strange Icons on the taskbar ????

[scotty]

MK : another example of idunno.

that patch you're talking about, piix, usbsup and somfinorother.... i'm thinking that intel makes the piix drivers, ms makes the usbsup so there prolly wouldn't be a single patch to take care of both in one swipe. either that or i'm wrong. where didja find this patch? url?


8¬)

[Slartibartfast]

hey Slarty, enlighten me please if I am confused?

I'll try, but I can't promise results... hehe.

My take on Windows 98, is it's Win95 with a new coat of paint.

A commonly held misconception. I'll elaborate in a minute.

Its got some neat features, dual monitor, some updated hard drive utilities, better USB support, ability to share your modem

Actually modem sharing is from Win98SE...

and updated drivers (what a joke, when was the last time you even used the driver CD from a manufacturer? By the time you buy the hardware, they are two revisions out of date).

Actually, my video card is the ONLY part of my system that has newer drivers than what shipping on either the Win98 or the Win98SE CD's. Honestly. 3com claims to have shipped newer drivers, but the rev. numbers are older and they are slower. Creative is the same way... my wife's AWE64 Gold runs much better with the Win98 drivers than with Creative's.

But you get other crap like IE5,

We could argue about this all day but IE5 is about 100% faster than Nutscrape.

more vague icons on the task bar,

I like those icons. I usually replace all my icons with vague, stylistic ones anyway, so I don't care WHAT comes with the system.

(leave it to Microsoft to give 16 different ways until Sunday to access the control panel. an exageration on my part, but it's apt and descriptive).

Yes, I know about this. I think they're still trying to overcome the bad sentiment on how hard it was to change stuff in Win31. Also I still know people who despite using Win9x for 4 years now can't find the Control Panel.

You also get the famous Microsoft Butt wiper (task manager), just what I wanted another was another useless, resource sucking app that I have to edit the registry to get rid of.

Easily disabled by two clicks. (Double-click to open, click "stop using task manager" to disable permanently.)

Please tell me that they've actually altered the kernal code and that get less BSOD (blue screens of death).

They have. In a major way. A lot.

Tell me how much memory you allocate, just sitting at the desktop?

Well, it's hard to measure. I have the machine set to be used as a file server, which allocates all available memory to file caching... but even so I have 460+MB of my 512MB swap file free... and I'm running:

- This browser window (IE5)
- A file transfer of about a gig in size
- Norton System Doctor to measure with
- Powerdesk
- Norton Antivirus
- PGP
- Hotsync for PalmOS
- Go! Zilla
- Iomega's Zip Shit
- Several miscellaneous windows
- Bryce (rendering in the background on a pretty complex scene)

I understand I am just pissing in the wind, I will end up with a app or hardware that will require just Win98 and will be dragged kicking a screaming to the next computer show to pick up a new copy, just don't diss me and my Win95 OSR 2.1 just yet.

Not dissing you, just your OS. MS did change a lot of kernel code from Win95 to Win98. Win98SE is just a new coat of lipstick though. Benefits of Win98 include:

1. Proper AGP support (much more important than USB support in my book).
2. More kernel bits borrowed from NT.
3. Better OS hooks for OpenGL/D3D.
4. More stable (I NEVER BSOD any more) by far.
5. IE4/5 built-in (you get used to IE after a while and start liking the shell changes. Also Nutscrape... well... scrapes nuts.)

- Slarty

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Specs? You want specs? Yeah. Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up. See this? This is my boomstick! It's a twelve gauge double barreled Remington, S-Mart's top-of-the-line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids Michigan. Retails for about $109.95. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop Smart. Shop S-mart. Ya got that?! Now I swear, the next one of you primates, even touches me...

[SteveC]

I know I shouldn't say this, but IE FOR EVER!!
Now, is that flame bait, and will I be banned?

Actually there is only one real reason I hate netscape - ActiveX. I say 'real' reason, cos cosmetic stuff aint really a real reason, and also netscape dont let me get away with sloppy HTML...

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Cheers,
Steve

[MK]

Hi everybody,


this is getting a little bit off topic, so I got something for you:

For 2 days now, I got no system ! Because even if I make a fresh install of Win`95 and even if I`m patching the way arbymo and scotty said, I get a screwed up system if I want to restart my sys after installing PD 5.13. I don`t blame Matrox for that, I´m sure Bill is responsible for that !
So I will switch to Win`98 tonight (ahhh, wanted to wait for W2K!)and I will tell you tomorrow what happened. If I don`t get a quiet and stable running system tonight, I will throw my PC out of the window (no, not 95!) and will look for a new hobby.


Greetings

MK ;-)

[arbymo]

MK .. the intel patch is the same as the patches that comes with the mobo's .. mobo's manufacturers doesn't make their own patches for the chipset .. so u can easly download the latest patch and install it .. same order just make sure u reboot after each step ..
if u need more help .. don't hesitate to ask .. sorry for the late reply ..
there are also more ways to get good performance like making a permenant swap file with max and min equales to double your memory .. and changin vcache in the system.ini file ..
and did i say that WIN95b still rule ??
i don't like to argue about that ... specially i don't have the indepth knowledge of both the OS internals .. but no one likes waiting .. how much do u guys wait when u open My Computer or windows explorer ??


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G200 8 M SD @112.5 core. driver 4.51, bios 2.3.

[agallag]

I only have two major complaints with Win98/IE5. The first, why does it insist on downloading to a temp dir first, and then copy to the location you specified. Seems like a wasted step to me.

Second, that selection assist feature, where you're trying to select part of a word for copy/paste, and the selection jumps to include the whole word. It makes my eye twitch...

Ok, so these two complaints apply to 95/IE5 as well... so I guess it's just IE5 that pisses me off.

Otherwise, 98 seems much more stable than 95... faster too.

Andrew

[This message has been edited by agallag (edited 08-11-1999).]

[Hunsow]

It downloads to a temp dir first so it can start downloading while you choose a different path.

[MK]

Ladies and gentlemen,

keep seated ! Now, we`ve got A REAL PROBLEM !! Made a fresh install of Win`98 and guess what happened ? Yep, the system got screwed up exactly the same way as in Win`95. But now I haven`t installed ANY patch.

Everything runs fine, until I install the G400 display driver (5.11 or 5.13 doesen`t matter). After reboot the screen looks corrupted and its position moved a few cm to the right, coulored lines are running up the screen and the sys is completely fried (other possibility is the screen is black and I don`t see any desktop at all)
I sat ma mobo`s bios back to default values - no cure. I think the damn (sorry) card is defect !

ANY ADVICE ON THIS WOULD BE APPRECIATED !


Greetings

MK

Specs: ASUS P2B (1010), Celeron 266@412 MHz (4x103), 128 MB PC100, OEM G400 16MB SH (Bios 1.3-22,PD 5.13), IBM DHEA 6,4 GB U-ATA, SB PCI64, Mitsumi CR-4801TE, Pioneer 36x slot-in, Iiyama Vision Master Pro 400, Plustek OpticPro 9636T, Win`95B OSR 2.1 / Win`98.