YES YES YES !!! TURBOGL

[IceStorm]

A-ha! All those damm Celery owners telling me that my then-$556 PIII-450 was a waste - HA! I smear chunky peanut butter all over your puny widdle overclocked Celery-stick. :-), especially since my 450 makes it up to 540 with no problems. :-)

Seriously, I don't see the problem. We ALL knew that Q3A would be designed to use SSE. Any hard-core PC gamer worth his/her salt alreay has, or has plans to have, an SSE chip or a K7 in his/her machine by Q3A's release, so it follows that any hard-core gamer already has a PIII/K7 (of course, that begs the question of why you bought a Matrox card, but we won't go there right now).

Besides, the PIII cartridge just looks so much cooler than a cartridge-less Celery or, heaven forbid, that little Pentium-profile PPGA package.

Anywho, looking forward to trying out the turboGL in two weeks. Of course, with the D3D version of UT around the the corner, this may all end up being moot. :-)


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Primary System: PIII-540 (450@4.5x120), Soyo 6BA+ III, 256MB PC100 ECC SDRAM, G400 MAX in multi-monitor mode. V2 SLI rig. Two Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 900u monitors, 3Com 3C905, SoundBlaster Live!, Altec Lansing AC5 spkrs, 2nd Parallel Port, WD AC41800 18GB HD, WD AC310100 10GB HD, Toshiba SD-M1212 6x DVD-ROM, HP 8100i CD-RW, Epson Stylus Pro, Sharp JX-9400 LJ-II compatible, OptiUPS PowerES 650, MS SideWinder Precision Pro USB joystick, Logitech 3-button mouse, Mitsumi keyboard, Win98 SE, Belkin OmniCube 4-port KVM

Secondary System: PII-266, Asus P2B BIOS 1008, 128MB PC100 ECC SDRAM, Millennium II, 3Com 3C590, ADSL Modem 640kbit down/90kbit up, 3Com 3C509, Mylex BT-930 SCSI card, Seagate 2GB Hawk, NEC 6x CD-ROM, Linux distro S.u.S.E. 6.1 (IP Masquerade works!)

Tertiary System: DFI G568IPC Intel 430HX chipset, P200MMX, 96MB of non-parity RAM, Millennium II, Intel Pro/100+ client NIC, SoundBlaster 16 MCD, Fujitsu 3.5GB HD, WD 1.2GB HD, Creative Dxr3 DVD decoder card, Hitachi GD-2500 6x DVD-ROM, Win98 SE

All specs subject to change.

[MM]

Heh heh...

all of you who got their P3s half a year ago when they were really expensive instead of picking up a Celery and o/cing it as high as you could, just wasted your money. Only NOW, half a year down the road do we begin to see a use for that SSE. It will take a good few months before it will really become useful. And if you check out those prices on the same CPUs you wasted your cash back then, you won't be laughing at Celery users. Cause these Celery users can now pick the same (or better) P3s for a lower price than you did

Just a reality check for the confused in here

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P2c-300a/450, 192MB PC125 SDRAM, Quantum Fireball Plus KA 18.2GB 7200rpm, Panasonic 7502B x4/x8 Ultra SCSI CD-R, Tekram DC-390U2W Ultra2Wide SCSI controller, Diamond MX300 (Vortex2), Creative Labs AWE64 Gold Sound Blaster, A-Trend Voodoo II 12MB, Matrox Millennium G400Max, 19" Hitachi SuperScan 752, Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel and some other fancy stuff

[DaddyBay]

2 cents:

Dancing on air...

Thanks Matrox
Keep up the good work

[PurpleHaze]

that p-p-ppga p-p-packaged p-p-entium.

Hmm. Yes. people complain. The best place to be is a little behind the curve. People who complain about upgrading, hey, um, don't go and get a PIII 600 or K7-650 right now. Wait. Wait till it gets to be somewhat affordable..

I spend about $250 every 6 months on a processor. That honestly doesn't _really_ hurt that much. And sometimes I'll get a good 8 months out of a processor. But you're gonna have to upgrade. It's like getting tires for your car.

Just relax and don't worry about having the best of the best now. Prices will come down and you'll be able to get better later.

*p-p-purple haze. (PLCC, not PPGA.)

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Ami Y. Koriuchi - foxyviolet@hotmail.com
Asus P2B 1010 - P3-500 - And a G400Max now.
256MB 6NS 70 GB of 10k RPM SCSI UW

This is a spunky tagline.


[This message has been edited by PurpleHaze (edited 09-22-1999).]

[RanDob]

Saturn, you do have the NT 4.22 drivers, right? What apps are too slow for you?

[paulcs]

Saturn, Matrox's OpenGL woes have been well publicized and their NT issues have not exactly been a secret either. Why an NT user would skip over 3DLabs (the OpenGL posterboy), a company with two comparably priced boards designed to run 3D apps under NT, and buy a board marketed at gamers is beyond me.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[PurpleHaze]

MM, what are you talking about? Let me get this straight - we wasted our money on P3's because SSE apps are coming out now.

uh. whut? Did you get kicked in the head by your sheep this morning?

When I got my P3, it was at the same price as PII's. (Okay, it cost $2 more.) I've found through personal experience that more L2 cache matters, so Celeron wasn't gonna do anything for me - on-die cache or not. And I've seen more problems with OC'ing than it's worth.

So um, I guess with everyone who buys a GeForce, when games come out that take advantage of on card T&L, they'll suddenly have wasted their money too?

Your logic is really, really strange.

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Ami Y. Koriuchi - foxyviolet@hotmail.com
Asus P2B 1010 - P3-500 - And a G400Max now.
256MB 6NS 70 GB of 10k RPM SCSI UW

This is a spunky tagline.

[Maggi]

Hey LAMFDTK,

I still use that Celery at home !!!

This sig is about my new working rig

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Cheerio,
Maggi
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Asus P2B-DS @ 103MHz FSB
2x P3-450 @ 464MHz
512MB CAS2 SDRAM
Millenium G400 32MB DH

[SteveC]

Hey LAMFDTK - in your sig, what's HDSRAM?
Highly Doubtful Synchronous Random Access Memory?

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Cheers,
Steve

PS: Some or all of the above message may be wrong, or, just as likely, correct. Depends on what mood I'm in. And what you know. ;¬)

[Jorden]

Probably Hard Drive Synchronous Random Access Memory... small swapfile

Jorden.

[P-Ditty]

> When I got my P3, it was at the same price
> as PII's. (Okay, it cost $2 more.) I've
> found through personal experience that more
> L2 cache matters, so Celeron wasn't gonna
>do anything for me - on-die cache or not.
> And I've seen more problems with OC'ing

> than it's worth.


Uh, sorry there buddy, but your statement about L2 cache is missing one key point that makes me laugh -- that being that your god-holy P3's L2 cache only runs at half the speed of your overall system; whereas the Celery runs at full speed which kinda makes the P3's L2 cache not really worth it.

Maybe a Coppermine will actually be worth the $$$ but we'll have to wait and see..:+)

[LAMFDTK]

HEHEH

[PurpleHaze]

Not true. On-die synchronous cache at 128k is NOT faster than 512k 1/2 core cache if you're using any substantial amount of memory.

"god holy p3"? A little sensitive are we?

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Ami Y. Koriuchi - foxyviolet@hotmail.com
Asus P2B 1010 - P3-500 - And a G400Max now.
256MB 6NS 70 GB of 10k RPM SCSI UW

You're a ... 'guest' ... of the Master Control Program.

[Jorden]

At least I'm glad I bought my god-holy P3-450 when I had the money (and need for speed ).
Checking recent prices and comparing them with the new prices for P3 processors, I'm sure I didn't pay THAT much for my P3, even though Intel dropped their prices by 40% orso. (NOT on the P3's though, mind you)

And it really boosts my G400 allready, although ofcourse that 256Mb helps as well

Wouldn't dare to go back to my P2-266 (still lying around on my desk, anyone interested??)

Jorden.

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Who likes his fries with mayonnaise??
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I GOT a very speedy, working G400 32Mb DH!!! (Delivered in an Asus AGP-V3800 16Mb box)
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Holly, Love and Tiberian Sun Rules !!
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[Mark F]

Jorden,
That's how they serve them in Germany.
{shutter}

Mark F.

ps. -can anyone tell me why braketting the word "shutter" (or should that be "shudder" in greater than/less than sighns wouldn't show up? < and >
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OH NO, my retractable cup holder swallowed a CD

[This message has been edited by Mark F (edited 09-22-1999).]

[This message has been edited by Mark F (edited 09-22-1999).]