(lol) WHO HATES MICROSOFT?

[Jammrock]

I have noticed a trend on this board as of late...a whole lot of M$ trashing. I think this is the reason why Linux and Mac have gained so much lately. People are just plain sick of dealing with MicroTrash.

Jammrock

[Marco]

What a topic!!
If Microsoft didn't exist we wouldn't play anything. So what? If you ask me WinXX is the best platform for gaming.

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[Jorden]

I have noticed a trend on this board as of late...a whole lot of M$ trashing. I think this is the reason why Linux and Mac have gained so much lately. People are just plain sick of dealing with MicroTrash.

Errr, Jammrock, same goes for the G400, Max in particular and still we all have, or want to have, such a splendid card in our PC's

I'd go for Steve's option, OS/2 Warp or whatever the new one is called, Merlin? IBM must've thought it if it sounds like magic, it works like magic... NOT...

Okay, so that's leaving Win2k, now out in Feb 2000, or so they hope... For all you out there running RC2, remember that the Beta of Win98 you could have sent to your house at p&p only ran stable, sturdier and better than the final product.

And as a final thing: If MS wouldn't exist we wouldn't be playing anything?? There are always others who would have come up with something, as there's always people complaining about their new software/hardware not running as they would love to.

Jorden.


[This message has been edited by Jorden (edited 27 October 1999).]

[SteveC]

I'd like to add something here - all this hatred towards win9x is possibly unjust. Think about all the hardware configurations out there that could possibly exist. I know that hardware manufacturers should stick to the specifications defining what they can and can't do, but in many cases, these specs aren't tight enough, and companies like pushing their luck on what they can do. Take Abit for example - they push the chipsets and components that make up a mainboard to their limits (200mhz FSB on a BX anyone?) and there's bound to be problems. Run at the specced settings, and 9 times out of 10 all will be OK.

I can take my PC as a good example of how win98 is a good product. I think that in the last month or so, I've had a total of 2 or 3 crashes which have brought down windows completely. And they have been due to beta drivers for the RR-G/G400. I could argue that my PII-333 is running to spec at 500 - the 333's core is the same as what's in the 333, 350, 400 and 450 PII's.

Most problems arise out of non intel stuff. Via/cyrix just can't perfectly stick to Intel's specs. If they did (OK OK, if Intel gave out a perfect spec for them to work with, it'd be a miracle ) then there would be no problems.

Does anyone agree here? Leave Microsoft alone - all the hatred can only be attributed to jealousy in my eyes.

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Cheers,
Steve

"The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million-to-one", he said.

[Wombat]

Sorry, my PC doesn't crash. MS sucks.



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[Buuri]

Jammrock,

I suspect that the main reason why Win2k has been delayed is because they need to give developers time to get their device drivers and programs ready.

Nope, it's the Y2K. They have no balls to put it out this year, and it wouldn't sell anyway. (companies wouldn't take the 'risk' now)
MS wouldn't hold it back because of lacking drivers, 'cause they only hurt themselves in that.

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B

[Hunsow]

Without Bill Gates we'd all be running OS/2

It's amazing how few people know that the original OS/2 was developed by Microsoft.

[KvHagedorn]

Microsoft KNOWS their OS is crap. Why else would they be running yahoo on FreeBSD instead of NT?

Why are we still using Win98? Do you really believe all the bullshit about free choice? We have about as much choice as most of Europe did when Napoleon decided he was God. It's the same situation with Bill Gates, except he knows where the real power is now.. the corporate world. It's just feudalism in business suits (or in the case of MS, sneakers, jeans, and sweaters)

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Kind Regards,

KvH


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[merchant2112]

os/2 is a better platform. althoue it is of no use to us gamers becuase of the ms oem deals/threats that have forced a lack of support for os/2. os/2 if it could get the support (for gameing give ms a run for its money.) i dont know if ms made/wrote the original os/2 or not but fact os/2 is more stable accross the board than ms 9xx. the only real problem with os2 is that it is not supported enough (do to ms bussiness pratices.)

but hey we live in a world dominated by ms and intel. we can eitehr live with it and pay too much for a lack of change in the technology. p2 to p3 ect.. or bug ridden software. 95 a to osr2 to osr 2.5 to 98 to 98 se ect....

makes me think of a james bond movie i saw awhile back the main evil guy looked alot like gates was talking to his software division about the Planed bugs in the new os that would make millions in tech support and upgraddes.

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[Gurm]

Here's the deal with OS/2:

Microsoft made OS/2 in conjunction with IBM. There were philosophical differences, and Gates sold it lock stock 'n' barrel to IBM. Then MS moved on to NT, which was at the time sort of a step backwards but has since caught up.

- Ash

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[Jammrock]

Let's face it people Every OS out there has it's problems, whether it be headaches and crashes or lack of support. Every OS that will ever come out will have it's problems.

I do not like M$ because they force me to do it their way. Has anyone every tried to use the admin features on Win2k? Anyone every tried to change drivers on Win2k? It is a nightmare. The longer M$ stays in control, the more control they are taking from us. That is what I hate most about M$. They claim it is so their OS can be more users friendly, but I am definately not friendly with Win2k.

Win2k runs stable on my computer, woo hoo. If I can't use it to it's full potential, because M$ blocks all of my admin features, then it is usless to me.

I said before that M$ delayed the release of Win2k, because of the lack of driver support and I meant it. Win2k will not run using Win9x/WinNt drivers, period. Trust me, I have tried. And since no one has taken Win2k seriously until now there is little driver support out there for new devices. And since people really don't want to upgrade their computer just so it will work with M$'s newest defunc OS, M$ has been forced to wait for new drivers. The HCL lacks serious support for new technologies.

Win98 is good for gaming and surfing. On small networks it is good too.

WinNt is good for a business environment, and nothing more.

Linux is still in it's infancy. Once companies learn how to make money from it they will support it. Linux is the fastest changing OS and if support grows it will challenge M$ dominance. You can argue against it, but the evidence supports my arguement.

MacOS is regaining it's footing, but has lost it's chance to be a major contender because businesses do not support it much. It will build a decent following in the graphic deisgn and PC paranoid market.

BeOS, the little OS that can do anything, but I don't see it taking off. Anyone that has access to it should try it out, it's fun to play with.

Jammrock

[red2]

BeOS may take off. Microsoft publicised it during their trial. Be also has 3rd party companies porting games and developing video card drivers for it. Already there is a G400 one in active closed beta testing stage. Games are what drives the market and if Be can get games and good hardware support, God help M$. Actually, I hope he doesn't.

[Gurm]

Jammrock:

Some thoughts...

BeOS = Promising, but you're right, nobody is writing good software for it.

MacOS = Great hardware, and such a crippled OS architechture that it can never ever EVER be taken seriously until they rebuild the kernel and drop all backwards compatibility entirely. It's like a Ferrari pulling a freight train... doesn't matter the horsepower, my Ford Escort whups its ass.

WinNT = I concur with your evaluation.

Win9x = I concur with your evaluation.

Linux = A good concept with very poor execution. The problem with Linux is that it's based on Unix. The problem with Unix is that it's an OS based on 30-year old computing ideas. And nobody can "make money" off of Linux until the people writing the OS get off their "free software" high horse. Until then all software for Linux will suck hard core for all but the most experienced users. _I_ can run Linux. _You_ can run linux. Everyone else looks at it and says "so where's the Word Processor?".

- Ash

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[Jorden]

Jason, when are you going to change your sig as we agreed on you would do some time ago??

Jorden.

[Gurm]

Folks,

I don't LIKE the lack of choice either, but give me a VIABLE alternative for the home user...

NT? No, it won't play games.

Win2k? No, it's not out yet, and requires too much horsepower.

OS/2? Ha ha ha.

Linux? No applications. And don't start with me about how you can download this and that and compile this and that and... let's just face it - you can't get the software unless you're a geek. Plus it won't play games.

BeOS? Pretty, but no support (yet).

iCrack? Well, it's alternative all right. And it runs. ArgH!

When an iCrack is the best alternative to Win9x, what has the world come to?

Honestly - if you can make a case for an OS that the AVERAGE user can use, please let me know. It doesn't exist except for Win9x.

- Ash

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The word "Gurm" is in no way Copyright 1999 Jorden van der Elst.