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  • #31
    Okay, some thoughts in defense of 3D Labs (and I know I won't be popular here):

    1. Until the introduction of the most recent crop of cards, the Matrox cards are the only ones that could beat the 3D Labs cards in 2D. The Permedia2 was perhaps the fastest 2D card I've owned, except for my Mill2 and my G400.

    2. 3D Labs has always led the pack, far and away, no contest, in OpenGL. Don't mock them on that count. Fire up NT and an old Permedia2, and you'll see that you pull down obscene framerates with ALL OpenGL features either implemented in hardware or emulated.

    3. Their "no OpenGL ICD" thing can be interpreted multiple ways - what we refer to as MiniGL or TurboGL is NOT an "MCD". An MCD is a driver which uses Microsoft's code as a fallback. MANY OpenGL drivers fall into this category. Just not 3D Labs.

    4. Is there an ICD for NT now? Last time I checked, OpenGL under NT was iffy at best.

    So what they are saying is that for mission-critical, professional OpenGL applications, there is no contest - and they're right. If I had to do 3D modeling all day, my choices of video card would be:

    - Something professional (way out of reach)
    - Permedia3 / Oxygen (same chipset)
    - Permedia2 / Glint

    *shrug*

    I think it's a dumb comparison, but they're really not talking about games here.

    - Gurm

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    • #32
      Nobody cares, eh?
      They bloody did what you wanted! Somebody cheer!

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      • #33
        FREE T-shirt ?!!!! I HAVE TO BUY THAT CARD ....http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/icons/icon10.gif
        -J-

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        • #34
          Sorry ! Have to test ...

          <img src="http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/icons/icon10.gif>
          -J-

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          • #35
            Again ...
            <img src="http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/icons/icon3.gif" >

            -J-

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            • #36
              uuuuaaaaaahhhh ! an answer from 3D LABS,UNBELIEVEBAL ! ...& from mr.CHRIS WATTS himself ..check this crap out :muahahahahah... LOL

              -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Unfortunately some out of date information got put on our website. We have
              already corrected some of this and are continuing to review other sections.

              Chris Watts
              3Dlabs

              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: hexen_d@usa.net [SMTP:hexen_d@usa.net]
              > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 4:56 PM
              > To: webmaster@3dlabs.com
              > Subject: G400
              >
              > So much bullshit I didnt read for an log period of time , shame on you !
              > 3D
              > labs.. you should make better 3D accelerator & not telling people lies
              > !...&
              > ONE FOR SURE ..I WILL NEWRE , NEWER ,BUY any products of yours or
              > recomande
              > it to others...
              >
              > ZIF DAVIS...CRASH ! LOL with G400,MUAHAHAHAHAH ! LOL...
              > my mark is :1080 with G400 32 SH.....morons !
              >
              > 3D MARK 99 MAX : 32 bit desktop,32bit zbf ,1024x768x32 = 4222
              >
              > Borg the MURCER !
              >
              >
              >
              > PIII450,P2b.128mb,Matrox Millenium G400 32 (hail to the MIGHTY KING ! ),
              > SB
              > LIVE..

              jeeeeee !......


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              PIII450@465,P2b,128mb,Matrox Mill-G400 32SH,SB.Live !(value)...
              PIII650@806(fsb@124),ASUS P3B-F,128mb,Matrox Mill-G400 32SH,SB.Live!vlue ,IntelliMouse Explorer

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              • #37
                God those stupid comparison tables with their great big ticks and crosses just crack me up. You can use them to achieve whatever effect you want by choosing which attributes to compare. But this is obvious to everyone right?! I'm not having a go at permedia BTW, everyone's at it At least Permedia are smart emough to include EBM and embossing so its not so lopsided that your average punter smells the proverbial rodent.

                One thing that does bother me slightly: what has OpenGL v1.2 got that 1.1 hasn't?

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                • #38
                  Hey, they have actually modified the page! Check it out: http://www.3dlabs.com/products/p3vg400

                  (or then I'm loosing brain cells.. which I hope hope to be nnot trüyé.... oh! no! it's happening again!)

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                  • #39
                    http://www.sgi.com/software/opengl/k...l12/index.html

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