Another g400 problem!! Will they ever stop?

[Alfie]

I believe the fic motherboard in question(2013)has problems supporting video cards with over 16 megs memory.
I can't fault the via chips here,but rather mobo design.
I have an Epox board(mvp3g2)and have had no problems with g200 or g400(minor problems,that worked themselves out)
So often people blame the hardware or product,without examining all aspects.
Final word,change to a less powerful video card or change your mobo.

This is the actual text from Fic's site.
So before you go blaming Matrox,perhaps you should review your hardware a little more carefully.
Q: What kinds of AGP I can use for PA-2013, or VA-503+ board?(10/19/99)

A: There are more and more high-end AGP device rolled out to market now, except our previous warning of VooDoo3 3000/3500 with PA-2013 PCB 2.0, here we suggest in general that do not implement AGP device with on board memory more than 16MB, and do not waste 4X mode AGP devices on it



[This message has been edited by Alfie (edited 22 March 2000).]

[ALBPM]

Sorry I got carried away...He said FIRE Heheh..Hehe...Heheheh

[paulcs]

I still not convinced he hasn't installed a video capture/editing board that requires overlay support. In addition, if he's stuck it in the first PCI slot, he may be having an IRQ issue as well.

The Rainbow Runner doesn't require an IRQ, but most of these boards do. Two incompatible devices and an IRQ issue can create a real big mess.

Again, I'm just guessing because no specifics were given.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[Dyre]

I was getting ready to say something, when it hit me... Id just be cutting the life of my keyboard off by a couple hundred keystrokes. Just screw it... Elegence is something i admire in a vid card, and elegence can be expensive...... It doesnt like hanging out w/ creap crap! (like my opld VIA MVP3 board) You have to just bit the bullet sometimes...

Jezzz

[The PIT]

I've got a hammer here sat next to me that will fix the problem.

[Brian R.]

It might just be bad kharma - nothing anyone can do.

[ALBPM]

There's always that New Drug...Ginkgo Viagra.
It helps you remember what the **** you were doing

Paul

[The PIT]

Or gives you a heart attack while you're doing it.

[HollyBerri]

Tell us how you really feel, Gurm .... btw, I remember that it took a year for the TNT to work... that's why I had that Rendition 1000 (Total3D) and Voodoo 2 combo until I got the G200... (all right, that didn't quite work out as planned, but I did my best )

OK, I know I shouldn't... not like it hasn't been said, or whatever, but most of you know me well enough to expect this.....

Lets Check the history my Elsa Erazor X runs fine My previus TNT2 ran fine, my Voodoo 3500 ran fine,heck even my old original tnt/ vodoo1 combo ran fine!!

How nice for you. Reinstall them, then and.... errrr.... have a nice day. Do you get it that this is an irrelevant point?

the only thing I changed was the vid card and you say its my mainboard?

I see how that would be confusing... but nevertheless.

I personally think it is weak driver development on the part of Matrox....I mean I read the messages posted on this board and I see many problems with anything that doesnt have an Intel chipset. How difficult is it to incorporate proper instructions for alternative hardware.

Well this is the question of the hour, isn

't it??

Can you recognize that this question <u>assumes</u> that said "alternative hardware" has instructions that (to put it bluntly) make sense....!

Think of Windows... full of bugs and hackarounds in the code, the Registry is a horror... but it works, most of the time.

Unless you have too many things running in the tray (because of the 64K resource "bug"), or you try to run a DOS game (backwards compatibility issues), or some badly-written program overwrites DX7 with DX5 without telling you....

So you have this Windows house of cards... and you install... oh, Chameleon Clock... a nice little skin program for your tray clock. Should this be a problem? No.... but now it crashes your machine whenever you try to load Windows.

Your clock worked fine before, right? It must be CC's fault, right?

Well, it isn't, it's <u>Windows'</u> fault!!!

Just like it's your mobo that is so cobbled together in order to run (and the 2013 is not the best or most stable of the SS7 boards) at 100mhz to keep some kind of a hope of competing with Intel, that a videocard that has very precise needs will have a hard time running properly.

Or do you think it's irrelevant that I, having upgraded my Soyo 5EMA to a DFI BX board, <u>never</u> have to download "AGP drivers".... because *cough*mine work already*cough*....

I've played the "save on the mobo and CPU and make it up with the vidcard" game... hey, don't blame me, I was badly trained by the Voodoo 2.

But those days are over, and if you want "diamond" parts (which I'll even include the GeForce in that category), you have to be prepared to pay for the "platinum" setting...

I gave up SS7 the day I realized it would always be cheap gold plate....

Just a concept....

Oh and btw, what's so wrong with being #2???!!!

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Holly

[This message has been edited by HollyBerri (edited 22 March 2000).]

[High_Jumbllama]

"NON-INTEL CHIPSETS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FESTERING PIECES OF CRAP"


Gurm, I should slap you for typing that.

The Athlon is a very good processor. Even the earlier k6 and up were OK if not the best. More often than not, it is the motherboard manufacturers and their inital poor support.

CYRIX is of course really just a big heaping pile of crap. Massive experience where I work for that one.

[Bixler]

Hey HJ:

Misunderstanding....Gurm is referring to the CHIPSETS, not the Processor. And he's right.

Ali and Via both are substandard, and the problems with the Athlon boards (not necessarily the processor) are starting to collect on these forums at an alarmingly high rate.

Check my sig before you come back ready to light a torch.

Without AMD you'd be paying $3-400.00 more for the top end. God Bless 'em. But they do need some motherboard support.

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AMD K6III 400 @ 426 On a SOYO SY5EMA M/B. Marvel G200 TV with HW/DVD Daughtercard,
CDBurner, Creative DVD, Promise Ultra 66 Controller
two big WD Hdds, Outboard 56K modem
Parallel Port Scanner,
All stuffed into a Mid-tower ATX case with no device slots left!

[Gurm]

Correct. I am only referring to the CHIPSET. The processors from AMD have always been rather well made, capable of overclocking, and cheaper than their Intel counterparts. HOWEVER, ALI and VIA have NEVER made a good chipset for these chips, and when Intel stopped making S7 chipsets, AMD chips became a non-viable platform simply because VIA and ALI's chipsets are SO POOR.

- Gurm

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Listen up, you primitive screwheads! See this? This is my BOOMSTICK! Etc. etc.

[merchant2112]

Oh no it’s my 2cents.

Ok lets see, my first matrox card (the mistake as some like to call It.) then I moved on to other video cards. (s3 virge gx2 (a bigger mistake) then I went back to a matrox card g200 agp it blow my mind 2d and 3d. but early driver support forced me to go oh no to the king of blurry desktops. voodoo banshee. and then I fell hook line and sinker for the voodoo 3. for my brothers the evil voodoo banshee had made me forget about the unbelievable matrox 2d desktop, color and 3d image quality. untill i gave my brother in law my g200 and had to install it for him. then I saw the light, and had to go back to matrox. is setting up and fixing the higher standard of matrox worth the trouble ????? HELL YES! I am never going to anything else again. I even tried a TNT between the g200 and voodoo cards and they sucked more than the voopoo cards.

happy g400 owner untill matrox's next card comes out.

[This message has been edited by merchant2112 (edited 27 March 2000).]

[Alfie]

Once again,I'll say it FIC'S 503+or the other board this individual is using doesn't support video cards with more than 16megs memory,nor do they support cards with 4x transfer.
This isn't the fault of VIA'S chipset,but rather the design of the mobo.
This info is direct from FIC's website.
Not saying VIA's chipset is the greatest,but rather shoddy mobo design may be at fault here.

[The PIT]

Gurms right. All you have to do is look at the number of posts with Via and Ali boards complaining about problems over the years. If you're in the Uk and got the latest pcplus they tested 8 Athlon boards 4 of these crashed when running various benchmarks.
I like Amd chips but I won't buy one again until the present chipsets have time to mature further. By that time the next gen will be out no doubt.