3Dmark CHECK THIS OUT !!!!

[Maggi]

that restriction was only dfor the 99 versions of 3D Mark, Mark ...

the new restrictions are no results browser, no batch runs and I think no cusomization of the single tests or something.

When you compare the colordepths, have a close look on the texture rendering results ...
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I hope, Hercules will stay. Didn't they produce one of the fastest cards when using the same chip as the competition ?

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Good to read that even a divorce can have its pros ...

CU,
Maggi

[Mark F]

Here you go MAGGI, posted for your morning reading pleasure. Used 1024x768x32,32bit textures, 24bit z-buffer.

CPU Intel Pentium III 862 Mhz
3D Accelerator 3D Prophet II GTS
Chipset NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS
Resolution 768*1024
Z-Buffer Depth 24-bit
Frame Buffer Triple
Refresh Rate V Sync.Off
CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L

3DMark Result 5173 3D marks
CPU Speed Display settings not 16 bit
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 102.5 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 74.9 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 38.4 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 100.9 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 70.2 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 44.1 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 304.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 627.8 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 8203 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights) 6645 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 5082 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed 241.0 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 231.6 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 209.6 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed 176.8 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass) 120.4 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass) 156.5 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass) 254.1 FPS

Have fun sifting through the 'results'

Mark F.

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[This message has been edited by Mark F (edited 30 June 2000).]

[Maggi]

Thanx a bunch !!!



Now the interesting part:

16bpp
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 141.0 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 101.8 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 53.2 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 156.8 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 79.1 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 46.4 FPS
32bpp
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 102.5 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 74.9 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 38.4 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 100.9 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 70.2 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 44.1 FPS

... seems to be logical ... 16bpp is faster than 32bpp

same applies to most of the other tests too

BUT

16bpp
64MB Texture Rendering Speed 104.6 FPS
32bpp
64MB Texture Rendering Speed 176.8 FPS

WTF is that ???
I guess the drivers are not yet optimzied for AGP transfers in 16bpp ... dunno ... starnge result, ain't it ?


Also notice what a tremendous performance hit you get in the fillrate tests ...

16bpp
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 634.3 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 1305.2 MTexels/s
32bpp
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 304.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 627.8 MTexels/s

cuts it roughly in half when switching from high color to true color ...

Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't wanna bash your new card - and I'm pretty sure that I can't do that anyway - but I saw comparable results in another forum, found it quite interesting and wanted to check whether that was a unique or general problem.



Cheers,
Maggi

[Mark F]

Well...Uhmmm..you see..it's kind of like this-

There were a few changes made between the 16bit and 32bit test. I upgraded to the 5.22 drivers and set AGP apriture from 64MB to 256MB. Might have something to do with the unusuall FPS diference. But. double the bit rate and half the fill rate seams about right.

Not very good test methodology I admit, but I'm not reviewing for any creditable site. Though I think Doctor Tom, might exept them .

Mark F.

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[Maggi]

it's not only that driver update ...

I saw those kinda scores from one set off drivers, so I guess NVidia hasn't settled 16bpp as top priority.

Your GAS change only affects those score if you have a 32 megger and probably not even then (32MB onboard + 64MB AGP - 6.75MB triple frame buffer = 89.25 MB texture memory)

About the fillrate ... I thought the GF2 would also use interanl 32bit rendering until the output would be dithered down to 16bpp, hence I thought it must have been closer, don't know exactly though.

And Tom would love your comparison ...

Cheers & thanx again,
Maggi

[Mark F]

Little something else to sink your teeth into.
I re-ran the default test, with the new set up 5.22 drivers and AGP app. at 256.
Here you go:

CPU Intel Pentium III 862 Mhz
3D Accelerator 3D Prophet II GTS
Chipset NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS
Resolution 768*1024
Z-Buffer Depth 16-bit
Frame Buffer Triple
Refresh Rate V Sync.Off
CPU Optimization D3D Hardware T&L

3DMark Result 5173 3D marks
CPU Speed Display settings not 16 bit
Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 102.5 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 74.7 FPS
Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 38.4 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 100.8 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 70.3 FPS
Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 44.3 FPS
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 304.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 627.7 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) 8175 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (4 Lights) 6686 KTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 5110 KTriangles/s
8MB Texture Rendering Speed 240.9 FPS
16MB Texture Rendering Speed 231.6 FPS
32MB Texture Rendering Speed 209.8 FPS
64MB Texture Rendering Speed 175.4 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass) 121.0 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass) 156.5 FPS
Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass) 253.6 FPS

The Texture rendering numbers are a little closer together now. Not sure what happened to the Bump Mapping numbers . Oh well you take the good with the bad.

Mark F.



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[DuRaNgO[MU]]

what, no "bump mapping (environment)" score

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Abit BE6-2 with P3 700(cb0) @ 7*150=1052 using an MC-1000!
15.3 gb Maxtor ata66 and Twinmos 128mb pc-133 ram
G400 vanilla 32mb @ 168/210 @ 2x
Sblive with Altec Lansing speaker combo
384k DSL and Realtek nic
Windows 98se with DX7a
Worn out reset button :O)

[Rice-Boy]

CPU Intel Pentium III 850 Mhz

3D Accelerator Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead Max - English

Chipset Matrox G400 MAX

Resolution 768*1024

Z-Buffer Depth 16-bit

Frame Buffer Triple

Refresh Rate V Sync.Off

CPU Optimization Intel(R) Pentium(R) III





3DMark Result 3251 3D marks

CPU Speed 233 CPU 3D marks

Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 67.0 FPS

Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 46.5 FPS

Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 19.9 FPS

Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 59.5 FPS

Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 46.9 FPS

Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 31.1 FPS

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 269.8 MTexels/s

Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 268.4 MTexels/s

High Polygon Count (1 Light) 2167 KTriangles/s

High Polygon Count (4 Lights) 2028 KTriangles/s

High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 1803 KTriangles/s

8MB Texture Rendering Speed 223.1 FPS

16MB Texture Rendering Speed 214.5 FPS

32MB Texture Rendering Speed 168.3 FPS

64MB Texture Rendering Speed Not enough AGP memory

Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass) 98.3 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass) 121.0 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass) 220.8 FPS

Bump Mapping (Environment) 98.0 FPS

What you guys think?? 600e o/c to 852.. for some reason if i o/c it higher i get lower 3dmark scores.. that odd..

BTW does anyone know if benchmarking in win2k or win98 make a difference? mine is in win2k.




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Got-Rice?
P3-600E o/c 852
G400 Max
256 PC133
2x30gig Maxtor 7200rpm

[Mark F]

Nah, I only get that on my real system. Not on the x-box (opps... game box..sorry M$).

Mark F.

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[Borg]

hey !..wasnt home for about 3 days..& look !...nice ! guys & thnx ..but MAGGI what link ? there is no link !..can you please post it ..

[Mark F]

Borg,

Is way at the top in one of his posts.
Or you can just click this one: http://forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum5/HTML/008887.html
It's down a ways!
It involves scrren shots, editing prograns, cut 'n past, unholy sacrifices, dogs and cats living... oh sorry.
That's why it's called the "fancy way"

Mark F.
Mark F.


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[Borg]

thanks !... found it !

[Maggi]

this is really weird, Mark ...

but before I get deeper, I'd like to thank you for your tremendous cooperation !

I know how time consuming those test runs can get, but I guess you'ee also kind of a techie nut that likes to dig out those tiny differences ...

If you'd like you could extend that another time and use PowerStrip for a readout of your texture memory with both GAS settings. On my system it seems to be able to assign half of the amount of my GAS settings, i.e. @ 256MB my texture memory is extended by 128MB giving me a rough total of 144MB DirectX memory. This should be the reason why your 16bit 64MB scores went up close to 32bpp scores and seems to be ok then.

Somebody at 3Dfiles forum said this memory mapping would be related to drivers and his NVidia would see all of the GAS ...



Oh and thanx a bunch for leading Borg to the right direction !
It seems that my thread is grown a little and I better head over to see what's up ...

Cheers,
Maggi

[JesTa784]

Interesting... seems like i'm getting low cpu scores also... i guess 3dmark isn't that great of a benchmarking utility? I mean i'm getting scores of 500mhz or less processors... shoots... anyone know why?

CPU AMD Athlon 850 Mhz

3D Accelerator Matrox Millennium G400 DualHead - English

Chipset Matrox G400

Resolution 768*1024

Z-Buffer Depth 16-bit

Frame Buffer Triple

Refresh Rate V Sync.Off

CPU Optimization AMD Athlon(tm)


3DMark Result 2847 3D marks

CPU Speed 220 CPU 3D marks

Game 1 - Helicopter - Low Detail 58.0 FPS

Game 1 - Helicopter - Medium Detail 41.1 FPS

Game 1 - Helicopter - High Detail 18.2 FPS

Game 2 - Adventure - Low Detail 51.5 FPS

Game 2 - Adventure - Medium Detail 41.2 FPS

Game 2 - Adventure - High Detail 27.3 FPS

Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) 226.2 MTexels/s

Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) 224.6 MTexels/s

High Polygon Count (1 Light) 3150 KTriangles/s

High Polygon Count (4 Lights) 2824 KTriangles/s

High Polygon Count (8 Lights) 2361 KTriangles/s

8MB Texture Rendering Speed 193.9 FPS

16MB Texture Rendering Speed 188.5 FPS

32MB Texture Rendering Speed 147.7 FPS

64MB Texture Rendering Speed 97.1 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss, 3-pass) 89.6 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss, 2-pass) 114.0 FPS

Bump Mapping (Emboss, 1-pass) 198.9 FPS

Bump Mapping (Environment) 87.5 FPS


edit:
guess i should have included some system specs...

Athlon 850mhz (not overclocked)
Asus K7M-RM
G400 vanilla
128mb ram
Diamond MX300 (sniff... AUREAL!!!)
Maxtor 20gig 5400rpm

running on Win98SE, with amd agp miniport driver v4.61 and via 4.22 ide busmaster, irq, and inf drivers. Using beta 6.00 g400 drivers.


[This message has been edited by JesTa784 (edited 03 July 2000).]

[Greebe]

It's not low. That's normal with an Athlon.