More On The State Of Matrox

[Novdid]

You forgot the----->

[ravalox]

OK, OK. I need to learn the codes for the special smileys when I do a quick reply.

I really wanted to use as it seems more appropriate.

[Chrono_Wanderer]

now all we need is the Parhelia 8X with the RSN shader pipelines integrated on the GPU... and matrox will crash ATI/nvidia/3dlabs/SiS/Trident

[Tempest]

Originally posted by Chrono_Wanderer
now all we need is the Parhelia 8X with the RSN shader pipelines integrated on the GPU... and matrox will crash ATI/nvidia/3dlabs/SiS/Trident

RSN is probably on hold while they are developing HeadCasting 2, which (according to the marketdroids) should be ready by... umm... yesterday?

[jdsnypr]

RE

no offense or anything but matrox sucks...and has sucked for a very long time...the parhelia was a total disaster...ati and nvidia are light years ahead...3dfx was light years ahead when they went under...matrox either needs to come up with a good product or sell out now while they can

[DGhost]

mmm, flame... gotta love the smell of roasting newbies...

no offense jdsnyper, but until you have used a Parhelia i wouldn't dis it... its multimon implementation is by far more advanced than any other singlechip multimon solution so far... can your GF4 or 9700 watch a movie full screen on the second monitor and at the same time play a game on the first? last time i tried that both things went to shit... its got a pretty good level of performance to boot... UT2k3 runs quite nicely with everything maxed and FAA enabled...

[jdsnypr]

you cant actually sit here and compare the 9700 and the parhelia...that is utterly rediculous...and dont get me started on the price...a 9700 for 311 and a parhelia for 322...pricewatch...and run ut2k3 on a 9700 with all details max and 64 tap af and 6x fsaa and then look at your weakling parhelia...

[thop]

hmm time for ALBPM's BBQ

[Sasq]

Just ignore it and it will go away

[Chrono_Wanderer]

DGhost: now where is the frying BBQ logo when we need it?

now to jdsnypr... obviously your intention to register the MURC board is just to make such stupid comment, seeing that this is ur first post here. Now if you say Matrox sucks... have you used ALL the products they released from 26 years ago? Have you ever use ALL their professional video and MIL boards? If you have not used ALL their products, then you don't have the right to say they suck. IT IS ILLOGICAL to judge upon all matrox products based on the very very few products that you have actually known about. The Millennium II series were among the BEST and most PROFESSIONAL among graphics chips when nVIDIA just entered the market.

The G200 was one of the BEST chips of its time. It was the only chip that can do tri filtering, 32-bit rendering, and 32-bit Z-buffering during that time. At that time, others like ATI and 3dfx's voodoo 2 had crap alpha blending quality, only bi-linear support, and 16-bit rendering.

Then of course the G400/MAX. It is a technological marvel of its time. It was the FIRST graphics chip to support dual display, EMBM, and other powerful features alike. Now let's compare TNT2 with G400. Hmm... TNT2 is 128bit and G400 is 256bit. first let's look at 3d quality... the G400 can do EMBM while TNT2 can't even do Dot3. If it weren't Matrox who actually cared about 3d texture's shading, maybe we won't even see pixel shaders so soon.

Now let's go to the MMS series. Have you seen an nvidia/ATI consumer solution that allows you to connect 16 monitors at the same time?

For your information the parhelia was finalized 2 years ago so maybe you can compare the Parhelia with something like a GeForce 2 GTS or radeon DDR.

BTW if you are a 3d fps freak, just to tell you that matrox cards have significantly better 2d quality comparing to other boards, especially when it comes to nvidia cards.

edit: @thop this forum is always busy when an nVIDIOT shows up

[Chrono_Wanderer]

where IS ALBPM anyways? haven't seen him lately.

@jdsnypr: I assume you have BOTH the 9700 and the parhelia.
now let's run ur shinny new 9700 @ 3840*1024 res... out of luck? for ur information it's because the 9700 can't drive 3 displays. FSAA is not so smart... alti-alias the entire screen just to get the glitches off the sides off a polygon...

Now let's be offensive because sitting here talking to a stupid idiot in a civilized manner will not get us too far. Let's put it in one sentence: It is most stupid to comment other people are stupid when you are stupid!

[DGhost]

Originally posted by jdsnypr
you cant actually sit here and compare the 9700 and the parhelia...that is utterly rediculous...and dont get me started on the price...a 9700 for 311 and a parhelia for 322...pricewatch...and run ut2k3 on a 9700 with all details max and 64 tap af and 6x fsaa and then look at your weakling parhelia...

yes, i do, because w/ 16xfaa it runs almost as fast at 1600x1200 as a 9700 w/ 6xFSAA... and personally, i perfer Matrox's FAA to any other anti aliasing method i have seen...

there is still the matter of Matrox drivers, which are still far superior to the crap ATI calls release drivers.

then there is the matter of the architecure behind it. the Parhelia claims to be fully GDI+2.0 ready, does the 9700 even come close to it? hell, even if it is, will ATI's drivers ever get to the point where it will provide a decent level of performance without problems? hell, the 8500 had problems with providing GUI acceleration for Windows XP for 6 months after Windows XP final was released. Matrox didn't have problems with it since their first driver set that acctually had XP native support, which they released about a month before Window XP's release. GDI+ 2.0 is gonna be very important to have with the next release of windows.

you know what else, every single other video card i have used (except for the Parhelia, of course) has massive issues providing any 3d feature (such as the alpha blending that Windows XP hardware accelerates) at the same as any sort of video overlay.

oh yeah, your precious 9700 doesn't have the ability to do hardware overlays on both of its outputs. nor does it have the ability to drive 2 dvi lcd's, something that should be included on every $300 graphics card.

and, does the 9700 have the option to enable the 10bit RGB framebuffer? hrmmm? last i checked they had not enabled that in the drivers...

[Chrono_Wanderer]

btw note i also have an ATI R8500. I check for new "drivers" everday, hoping that they are trying to optimize the cards w/out giving up quality. BTW did you can them drivers? Hell their "drivers" do not even come close to the G-series drivers... ATI makes good drivers? sounds funny

Okay really off topic now... let's forget him/her and return to the original topic.

[Hati]

The topic is currently beeing discussed over at beyon3d as well

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2912

Matrox`s current situation is pretty grim. It is not like me to talk about competitors, but I shall take a shot. They have little chance of turning the boat around-they just have too many leaks. Their pricing is out of line, their products are underperforming. I have friends that worked at MTX and friends that still do- some of them were maybe the best engineers I've ever seen so it's not that they lacked in human resources, but their management was all the way crappy. One bad business decision after another has led MTX to where it is now- a very deep pit where it will probably die.

Personally I hope that for Matrox a German saying comes true :

"Totgesagte leben länger."

Hati

[ElDonAntonio]

"Those proclaimed dead live longer" ?

Is my german correct?