P650 or ATI 9x00 ?

[Indiana]

Unfortunately (or should I say: luckily? ) nVidias drivers for the FX series are piss poor at the moment..

[Che Guevara]

You are right Indiana, you're damned right .

[Seaspray]

Passive cooling

Originally posted by thop
That's true i don't buy it for the games but if i'm already buying one then why not the fastest? GF4 are all active ... so thats not a choice.

I'm sorry I obviously did not read your original post properly. If you must have passive cooling then GF4 is not an option.

But I wasn't aware any Radeon 9xxxx cards had passive cooling, except maybe the 9600 (non-pro)?

I haven't seen any benchmarks for the 5200, nor for P650/750 either, although the 5200 ultra benchmarks I have seen are nothing to write home about (only about the same level as the R9000 Pro), so maybe P650/750 will be competitive performance wise with 5200? In which case, I know which I'd prefer!

~J

[Novdid]

The original P is slower than a 9000Pro(without AA). With that in mind do actually think the P-series are that fast?

[Chrono_Wanderer]

I think the 5200 vanilla can possibly perform better than Parhelia in terms of 3D. (and maybe 3d quality is higher on any FX than the P because of its AF and functional FSAA (FSAA on P is a joke)) I have always been considering the Asus AGP-V9520 Video Suite with DualDVI based on the 5200, but I haven't buy one yet because we say its performance is crap...

so... I am waiting for ATI to make their move and shift the 9500PRO onto a DualDVI PCB... but apparently ATI has no plan on that...

Anyways.... been looking at http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/
Look what Gainward is up to...

FX PowerPack! Ultra/780XP 256MB...with DualDVI!

I read somewhere they are also releasing a 5200 based PCB with DualDVI. And since Gainward is known to be a quality manufecteurer for their golden samples... I would buy one of those over Radeon 9500 PRO...

[thop]

There is a test in the german computer magazine c't ... P750 is about 1/2 the speed of a P512, P650 about 10-20% lower than the P750. A 4200 is faster than a P512 in all their tests - you do the math.

However they clearly mention the advantages like superior IQ, DUal-DVI, better TV-Out and generally better quality.

[bsdgeek]

Originally posted by Novdid
The original P is slower than a 9000Pro(without AA). With that in mind do actually think the P-series are that fast?

I think the 5200 vanilla can possibly perform better than Parhelia in terms of 3D.

Neither of those statements is true, the Parhelia beats the 9000Pro and often the 8500 (sometimes conceding to it though).

And Chrono, seriously? You must be joking, the 5200 vanilla is slower than a GF4MX.

If it appears I'm trying to defend the Parhelia, I am not. It is just that many people are saying it is slower than how it really is.

[raku]

don't you even think about taking fx5200! that would be a very dumb decision. i don't know what benchmarks you have been looking, but i'll give you a digit-life review of sapphire family. there are radeon 9200, 9600, fx5200 64bit, fx5200 128bit etc benchmarked. fx5200 non-ultra is the worst card ever, considering the fact that it's being sold as a directx9 part of fx-family. serious rip-off. you should get a p650, but if you want to ditch Matrox then go with ATi :| Nvidia - never!

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/sapphire-2.html

[thop]

at the moment i'm torn between a 9100 and the 5200

[raku]

Originally posted by thop
at the moment i'm torn between a 9100 and the 5200

9100 is the fastest of them all, it's actually a renamed 8500.
that would probably be the best choice! why do you even consider 5200 as an option

[thop]

well i wanted a passive solution. but i'll slap a very big heatsink on it ... that should do it as well

[Indiana]

Attention: the 9100 cards come in a quite wide variety regarding clock frequencies. Some of them seem to have the Ram clocked as low as 200MHz.
And the 9100 normally is NOT a passively cooled solution.

But the 9600 non-Pro should be able to operate passively cooled when you apply a big enough heatsink, AFAIK at least some 9600 non-PRO models already come passively cooled....

[Novdid]

Its a matter of price Indiana.

I got my brother a 9100 for SEK 565($1=SEK7.7). That's extremely cheap here.

[Indiana]

But in his first post thop had taken the R9500 non-Pro and the P650 into consideration - both of them are on the same price-level as the Radeon9600 non-Pro.
And this would be a card which could most liely be passivley cooled, which I'm sure he would pay something extra for.

(Unfortunately the 9600 non-Pro seems to not to be really available in germany as of now)

[Hege]

Originally posted by Novdid

I got my brother a 9100 for SEK 565(SEK1=$7.7). That's extremely cheap here.

So you paid ~$4350 for the card? I knew the taxes were high in Sweden, but still, that seems quite expensive.

.... Sorry, I had to