big unsolved performance issue

[Rags]

and everyone is in denial..

Hmmm...I take this to mean that we are really experiencing the same problems as you, it's just that we don't want to admit it. So, you are calling us liars.

It's jerky as hell with 5.14 and smooth with 5.04, what more can I say??

This is the first time you have said this that I recall. Your previous posts dwelled on "halved performance in my custom benchmark.." (which is fine, but sometimes they aren't the best judge, and HL's benching mechanisms are not quite all that.

This is the "denial" I am talking about.

Sorry, but I really am NOT in denial, and I don't appreciate being called one, hence my previous posts.

The reason I'm getting so angry is that this isn't going to get fixed until Matrox admits there is a problem.

I am not Matrox, I don't work for Matrox. I am here for helping others, not listening to someone's complaints about Matrox's business ethics or lack thereof. All these type of posts do is lay bait for flaming. This forum is also for helping end-users.

lol, how did I know you would say that? I've lost nothing, you couldn't/wouldn't help anyway.

Well, I feel like a real jackass for ever trying to help you out. If I had known you felt that way, I would have never responded to your posts. But, I did because I thought you might actually appreciate the help. But this comment here shows me that you don't think anyone's help is good unless it's okay with you. Makes me wonder if you ever tried out any of the suggestions I laid out before.

It's pathetic, taking the easy (cheap gag) way out, avoiding the issue.

Nope, I post what I feel. I am a straight shooter, like it or not. I am not going to waffle on the issues. As far as taking the easy way out, not hardly. I spent a great amount of time trying to help you, and it seems that you had given up. I am sure I could pinpoint this problem if I had your system in front of me, but I don't so it's not quite as easy (unless the other user follows instructions very well)

If you want to get nasty, I can oblige,

You started the nastiness, not me. Look at your first posts.

but I'd rather keep things civil and not waste everyone's time.

I'm all for not wasting time

Rags

[Rags]

What planet are you from?

Get your torch out buddy. Looks like this is NOT going to be very ****ing civil.

BTW, what planet are you from?

[Helevitia]

Can I buy ringside seats to this event

[Joel]

BTW: "Win2k is not a gaming OS"

Joel

[Smiff]

OK please excuse the delay Helevitia, it takes time to come up with a quality flame

Hmmm...I take this to mean that we are really experiencing the same problems as you, it's just that we don't want to admit it. So, you are calling us liars.

No, it means there is a flaw in the hardware or software that only comes into effect in certain situations, a concept which should be familiar to anyone in the computer industry. It is certainly not calling anyone a liar; indeed, the problem is so obvious that it is absurd to suggest that anyone is experiencing it without being aware of it. Your quote was taken out of context and thus the meaning was distorted: "it feels like ... everyone is in denial" was what I wrote and meant.

This is the first time you have said this that I recall. Your previous posts dwelled on "halved performance in my custom benchmark.." (which is fine, but sometimes they aren't the best judge, and HL's benching mechanisms are not quite all that.

No, the problem as I clearly said before was in "real world" gameplay - the benchmark was just to prove I wasn't imagining the problem, and to demonstrate the severity of the problem in an objective manner - why would I run a benchmark to demonstrate a problem I didn't have? Moreover, I don't find benchmarking fun.

Sorry, but I really am NOT in denial, and I don't appreciate being called one, hence my previous posts.

Denial is the most apt term I can think of to describe this situation, i.e. a problem that Matrox and its' supporters don't/won't admit. The more you say the more you convince me of the truth in this. I am not getting any signs that the problem lies with me or elsewhere in my system.

Well, I feel like a real jackass for ever trying to help you out. If I had known you felt that way, I would have never responded to your posts. But, I did because I thought you might actually appreciate the help. But this comment here shows me that you don't think anyone's help is good unless it's okay with you. Makes me wonder if you ever tried out any of the suggestions I laid out before.

Of course I would appreciate the help, go back and read the last line of my first post - "If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it." Hello? What I don't appreciate is what you've been doing in this thread. You never looked a "jackass" when you were helping me, only now while you aren't. I didn't "feel that way" before, only now that, after 6 months, it is looking as though nothing is being/will ever be done.

Nope, I post what I feel. I am a straight shooter, like it or not. I am not going to waffle on the issues. As far as taking the easy way out, not hardly. I spent a great amount of time trying to help you, and it seems that you had given up. I am sure I could pinpoint this problem if I had your system in front of me, but I don't so it's not quite as easy (unless the other user follows instructions very well)

You haven't touched the issue! I appreciated the time you spent on them before, as I made clear at the time. The reason I stopped posting was that I didn't feel we were getting any closer to a solution and didnt want to irritate other forum users (yourself included) by repeating myself. I did try (and will try) every suggestion that is put to me. I am now close to giving up because there comes a point when you should cut your losses, and in this case perhaps, buy a new graphics card.

You started the nastiness, not me. Look at your first posts.

No, I made it very clear that I was angry with the product, not anyone here: "Sorry if I sound angry but frankly I am, though not with anyone here of course" is pretty clear I think. On the contrary, you "started the nastiness" with this post: "Well, since I am in denial, I can be of little help to you."

I'm all for not wasting time

Ironic that, you seem to be doing and enjoying lots of it, right here.


I think I have been remarkably reserved throughout this "event" , all things considered. I very, very, rarely attack anyone personally in a forum (or in real life), only when I am convinced they require it.

[Helevitia]

*ding, ding* Round four starts off with an uppercut from Smiff, pulls off a few counter punches and ends with a combo! Will rags be able to recover from this devistating blow? Stay tuned as more is coming....

[Greebe]

<Dave, did you forget about ICQ?>

[Rags]

Oh puhleeezzz don't burn me with that ma..err torch.

after 6 months, it is looking as though nothing is being/will ever be done.

Nothing will be done about what? The Smiff slowdown issue?

No, it means there is a flaw in the hardware or software that only comes into effect in certain situations, a concept which should be familiar to anyone in the computer industry.

What you are describing is a bug. A bug is a reproducible flaw that exists in specific hardware configurations, and what you are complaining about here is not reproducible with a specific configuration aparently. Maybe if you posted some more detailed specifications you could help out. You also did not say anything about trying the ICD out of any of the other latest drivers, such as the ICD for NT4 or Win98.

The reason I stopped posting was that I didn't feel we were getting any closer to a solution

Don't you see? You are among a very elite group who is seeing this problem. Yet, you would rather sit here and tell me/us that we are in denial rather than continue with what suggestions we have. We are not stupid people who just give suggestions for the hell of it. We give suggestions because they are know to help give some insight and or cure the problem. Just because you, someone who cannot get the drivers to work well for him, don't think it will work does NOT mean that it won't. If you ask, be prepared to try the suggestions. Don't just dismiss ideas because they don't agree with your narrow view of what should be.

(I) didnt want to irritate other forum users (yourself included) by repeating myself.

That is what this forum is for. Helping others. The only thing that irritates me, and others is starting whole new threads after one has already started a thread on the subject. Cross posting is also a no-no. I never showed any signs of irritation, so there should have been no reason for you to feel irritated. I think it has more to do with you don't think we have anything to offer you as far as help goes, and would rather sit there and be content on saying there is a hardware flaw with the infamous Smiff Bug rather than do basic troubleshooting, then even more advanced troubleshooting.

I'm just banging my head against a wall with this and everyone is in denial that there's a big Matrox driver f**k up...*snip*...Oh for god's sake! It's jerky as hell with 5.14 and smooth with 5.04, what more can I say?? This is the "denial" I am talking about...*snip*...Denial is the most apt term I can think of to describe this situation, i.e. a problem that Matrox and its' supporters don't/won't admit. The more you say the more you convince me of the truth in this.

You keep on returning to tell me/us that we are in denial. Believe me, I am not denying anything. I have no problems with my setup, which is strikingly similar to your own (that's why I took an interest in your problem--mistake on my part )
You can tell me all you want that you didn't mean that we are in denial, but you say it over and over again. Buddy, you have the problem. Not us. Maybe you should try doing more comparisons to see where the difference is that makes this problem surface rather than attack. I don't care if you put I want help a thousand times at the end of your post, reading that one line calling us liars turns us off quicker than Bill Clinton driving to a strip tease.

I am not getting any signs that the problem lies with me or elsewhere in my system.

Sure you are. You are getting people telling they have a similar setup that don't see this problem. This should be the blue light flashing telling you that there is something going on specifically with your system to cause a slowdown of this magnitude in the 5.14 drivers. Really.

I think I have been remarkably reserved throughout this "event"

Your very first post was the most (and only) reserved one you have made. Then you had to go and be an arse with your little comment about us in your second one. Funny thing is that I had made a reply, looked at the page to see how my response looked, then I deleted the post after I saw your reply to your own post. I figured that with that kind of attitude, I could care less about helping you out.


I understand about frustration....really I do. But there are ways to deal with your frustration that don't involve blasting people who are willing to help you. Don't come here and take your frustration out on us. If you really want help, then you need not do this.

Rags

[Liquid Snake]

Must...get...thread...back on topic...


OK, I have a weird problem with 6.x drivers and TGL. Yeah, yeah TGL is not supported with 6.x. But the ICD has its own problems, so I use TGL. But this is a peculiar bug I've noticed a while ago. Playing the first map is fine in HL, but then after I move on to the next one, the fps counter shows three numbers. 60 (my fps_max), 42, or 28fps. Almost always those exact three numbers. Very strange if you ask me, and its really irritating when I'm playing. BTW, TGL with 5.x doesn't have this problem, but then the fps is overall slower than the 6.x ICD.

There, I hope that I somewhat got the thread back on topic

[anarki]

Hey, can you give me a link to get the win2k drivers that came before this release? I want to see if those improve my frame rates.

thanks

-Drew

[DosFreak]

"BTW: "Win2k is not a gaming OS"
Joel "


HA! Neither is DOS or Linux.

[dZeus]

Hey, can you give me a link to get the win2k drivers that came before this release? I want to see if those improve my frame rates.

All the Win2k driver releases are downloadable from my G400 Win2k bugsite. http://dzeus.student.utwente.nl/g400
in the "win2k utilities" section they are listed.

You can also download them from the Matrox FTP site.

[vanguardian1]

Are there any necessary AGP drivers available for your motherboard chipsets? That may/may not help.....

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[Bursar]

Just so as you all know, I have recently replaced my G400 MAX with a GeForce 2 Ultra and I still get the half screen thing when starting LAN games.

Strangely it does not appear if I start an Internet based game (using the HL built in server finder thingy).

It must be something to do with Win2k and HL, as I don't recall these problems in Win98.

Just for the record though, the G400 MAX gave me decent performance in HL, TFC and FA.

I'm not into CS so I can't comment on that particular mod. Maybe it is a mod specific problem.

[Rags]

What do you mean by "half screen thing". Is the game on the bottom half and something else on the upper half? If it's text, hit the ` key.

Rags