If you want G800 speculation . . .

[Indiana]

To get back on the original "everyone can make his guess" game, I also think that one of those cards is the Geforce3 and the other the Radeon2.
Looking at the image-quality I'd say the first card with the outstanding quality could be the Radeon II (even the RadeonI has exceptional 32Bit 3D-rendering). I don't think that Kyro is up to the speed mentioned over there, at least not now).

The second card, now those screenies look definitely 'NVidia' to me - crappy sky (still that texture-copmression-bug?), a lot worse texture-rendering than the first card (where's this outstanding anisotropic filtering the posts of the first card showed?) and the whole thing is looking a bit "overblurred" which could be lended from 3DFx' acquired technology.

[IceStorm]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">the Geforce is a single generation. Geforce 1, 2, and 3.</font>

GeForce 1 and 2 are closely related. John Carmack apparently disagrees that the GeForce 3 is close enough to be considered the same generation:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It is somewhat unfortunate that it is labeled GeForce 3, because GeForce
2 was just a speed bump of GeForce, while GF3 is a major architectural
change. I wish they had called the GF2 something else.</font>

The above is from his latest .plan update.

Additionally, if you check HardOCP, someone there has counted out the pins on the GeForce 3 package. There are 700. The GeForce 2 had 532. Speculation is that they doubled the width of the memory bus from 128bit to 256bit. GeForce3 seems to be quite a bit different than 2, in terms of functionality added that is useful.

But we'll know for sure about the cards and chips soon. IDF's only four days away.

If it really is a Matrox part, then maybe that new Amiga really has a shot? :-) I can dream, right? (I'm in the process of refitting/refurbing an A3000).

[This message has been edited by IceStorm (edited 23 February 2001).]

[Indiana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IceStorm:
If it really is a Matrox part, then maybe that new Amiga really has a shot? :-) I can dream, right? (I'm in the process of refitting/refurbing an A3000).</font>

Good luck! If you need some advice, feel free to mail me - I still have an A4000 (68060@50 + PPC604e@200 Combo) running next to my PC. And if you do happen to have a PPC-card for the A3000, get MORPHOS!!!

Regards,
Joachim

[APV]

Gurm, if you are not from Quebec , you better shut up yourself. Can't you just wait till Summer to prove me wrong which in anycase will disappoint you. btw, no need to be that hostile, just trying to tell you the truth. If you can't take it, forget it. Calm down mate, you'll blow yourself up.

[Gurm]

APV:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

- Gurm

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[Maggi]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Indiana:
Good luck! If you need some advice, feel free to mail me - I still have an A4000 (68060@50 + PPC604e@200 Combo) running next to my PC. And if you do happen to have a PPC-card for the A3000, get MORPHOS!!!

Regards,
Joachim</font>

Hey Joachim,

are you doing some fancy stuff on that PPC Amiga and have you already heard about our annual http://ms.dem.org ???

If not, have a look and join the party over the easter days ...

[Surfwienix]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Maggi:
I'd call the G4x0 only one generation behind (no T&L as a substantial difference).

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who cares about T&L. since the GF 1 has been out there was never released an important game that supports it but quake 3. so you don't need it at this time and not even in the next 12 month.

[Galvin]

T&L I think matters to people that want to play say Team Arena in 1024x768 with all options turned on. I wish I could play at that res, but the matrox takes too much of an FPS hit and I am not turning off all options for that res. So I play at 800x600 16bit, 32bit takes too much performance.

[APV]

Gurm,

:-)

[Greebe]

Cute

[dZeus]

ok, fair enough

[This message has been edited by dZeus (edited 28 February 2001).]

[Ant]

People, you don't agree with what someone posts then that's fair enough but cut out the insults.

[Novdid]

I agree with Ant.

[Indiana]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Maggi:
Hey Joachim,

are you doing some fancy stuff on that PPC Amiga and have you already heard about our annual http://ms.dem.org ???

If not, have a look and join the party over the easter days ... </font>

Sorry for the late reply but I was off to Vienna on a scientifical meeting.

No, unfortunately I'm not able to code anything fancy on the Amiga. But I do like watching those fancy demos (regardless if PC or Amiga, but the PC demos, while of course often having the more advanced gfx lack the "originality" of the older Amiga ones.

About the meeting at easter: Perhaps, don't know if I have time...

[isochar]

APV,

Before you speak too soon... err, you already have

Matrox still is in a position to be able to regain lost ground in the gaming video card market.

Everyone knows what GF3 can do and at what price it'll do it.

Radeon 2 is nowhere to be seen...

Enter (hopefully?) a G800 that offers close to GF3 performance at current GF2pro prices. (About $200) I would call that a success. The key point is that Matrox has to announce and release it within a month or so of each other...