Holly back as Mod for TSB; please sign this petition!!!

[Rags]

Kaj,

No, check your email. I would like to post what you wrote to me, do I have your permission to cut and paste it, and my response? I see no reason for not debating this in an open forum.

Rags

[Kaj]

Well, I thought that it was inappropriate to keep picking at this after it escalated, but...

Read my first post in that thread, and you may start
to understand.
--- Kaj Schulten <kajcom@cistron.nl> wrote:
> But since TSB has been shaken up all too well, I'll
> do this by e-mail.
>
> [ quote]
> Judging from your registration date, you would have
> hardly any idea of how Holly moderates. She has been
> without internet connection for most of the time
> since you have been on this forum, and has been in a
> hard postition to moderate, so you have NO way of
> knowing how well or how poor she moderates.
> [/ QUOTE]
>
> And what has my registrationdate to do with this
> issue? What makes you think that that date is the
> first date I showed up at MURC?

On wich I replied:

No, I don't remember Holly's first month as a mod. But does it matter?
You're stating something that you can't check, and that's why I wanted to
know.

[This message has been edited by Kaj (edited 24 September 2000).]

[Rags]

This is the email I recieved:

But since TSB has been shaken up all too well, I'll do this by e-mail.

quote
Judging from your registration date, you would have hardly any idea of how Holly moderates. She has been without internet connection for most of the time since you have been on this forum, and has been in a hard postition to moderate, so you have NO way of knowing how well or how poor she moderates.
/quote

And what has my registrationdate to do with this issue? What makes you think that that date is the first date I showed up at MURC?

I responded with:

Read my first post in that thread, and you may start
to understand.

His reply was:

No, I don't remember Holly's first month as a mod. But does it matter?
You're stating something that you can't check, and that's why I wanted
to
know.

And I responded with something like (I don't remember word for word):

If you read what you quoted, you will see that I said "Judging by...". This means assuming, guessing, making an educated guess. Anyhow, you obviously only remember the period of no moderation, when Holly would rarely posted at all....

I stand by what I posted, and see no reason for feeling sorry at all for anything I said. You surely don't remember Holly's first two months moderating here, and don't remember Kruzin's first month moderating. Both recieved quite a bit of back-lash and had to settle in before they got the hang of it. But, I can't remember anyone calling for their removal at all, and surely not before they had a chance.

Narrow mindedness and ignorance are the leading causes for violence and tensions in the world. If people would be more free to open their minds and offer help, rather than shoot first and ask questions later, then this world would be a much much nicer place.

Rags

[Kaj]

Originally posted by Rags:
If people would be more free to open their minds and offer help, rather than shoot first and ask questions later, then this world would be a much much nicer place.

You took the words right out of my keyboard...
Couldn't have said it better. Now read my posts again, and you see what I mean.
And please don't throw with blockhead-like terms again; that's doing this discussion not any good...

[Muad'Dib]

Ok, haveing been asked by a couple people to comment on this, I will add my "not-so-useful-opinion."

I'm not a newbie by any means, but I'm also not particularly old here either. I've known Holly's style for running this bored from when I first started here (from what I remmeber). We've all adjusted to that and have become accustomed to the relative "free reigns" she gave us. With Joel as mod now, we need to a.) relearn what the new boundaries are and b.) give him some time to adjust to his new position of power. I think once everyone has reacclimated to this change it will start to go back to the old tsb.

How many of you have experienced the changing of a boss at work or something to that effect!?! You all know that things change and that the beginning is the hardest time of it. It's like kids testing the limits. I think right now we're all testing what is and what is not acceptable.

Give it time people. I have not been around much lately so I don't know particularly how things are around here, but I'm sure after a month or two of adjustments everything will turn out fine.

As too bringing back Holly, that is her decision and I don't think I (or really any of us) have any influence in these matters.

Joel, from what I can tell dood, you're doin fine. Good luck.

Dimitri

[Rags]

Hey, pal, I offered some really good advice first. And then again, then yet again. You seemed to ignore it and keep the flames lit, all the while talking out the side of your mouth. You have offered nothing to help joel. All you have done is call for overthrowing him, and that is totally wrong. Show me where my posts were blockhead-like. I broke down your comments into direct quotes, and put my response to each of them, and added my editorial. Now, if you would like to debate what I have said and what I have suggested, then I am always cool with a good debate. But you had better bring your debating skills with you.

Rags

[KvHagedorn]

Rags is right, guys. Just be patient. Joel isn't Ghengis Khan here, really. Holly and Kruzin were rough around the edges when they started, and both received a lot of flak for that. I think for anyone to volunteer his time to moderate a forum is someone to be appreciated, not scorned, and anyone who is mature enough to understand knows that they all go through a "rookie cop" stage.

Calm down.

------------------
Kind Regards,

KvH

[Admiral]

"shoot first and ask questions later"

Hmm, seems to me that's what Joel did with the "Oh, No!" thread, thus the hostile reaction, not only from new, but also from old members.

[Joel]

Hey Kaj,

Aren't you forgetting one very important factor in this equation, ME? Isn't what matters, is how I feel about your post? And I do not view them as being constructive at all.

Joel

[Rags]

You are correct, Admiral, and I am sure that Joel knows he shot his sixer a little early...actually I know he does.

But from day one, you have been a bit less than hospitable towards Joel. You fit into the category of having a pre-conceived notion of how Joel's moderatership would be, and that is unfortunate. Let's be open minded, and try to help the guy, not blast him into the bed of coals. Take a look at my "Yanky My Wanky" Thread, and post some ideas for the guy. It'll make you feel better, and it will definitely help. I know he is open to suggestions, like I said before.

Rags

[Kaj]

Rags-> Ease up, will you!? I was referring to this:

You know what? I thought I was being nice by starting a suggestion thread, and even asking nicely for helpful comments, but apparently blockheads like you can't get it through your skull that you aren't helping things by just going off on somebody.

[Kaj]

Originally posted by Joel:
Hey Kaj,

Aren't you forgetting one very important factor in this equation, ME? Isn't what matters, is how I feel about your post? And I do not view them as being constructive at all.

Joel

No, I don't. And that's why I wanted to discuss this with Rags by e-mail.

[Rags]

Fair enough. I was very riled up when I posted. If you have been following these forums as long as you are suggesting you have, you would know that I was actually being very cotton-like in my postings. I usually don't restrain from using more descriptive language when describing someone I am peeved at. Ask anyone, they will tell you I can be rather straight forward when it comes to posting.

Rags

[Joel]

And that's why I wanted to discuss this with Rags by e-mail.

Oh, that makes it all better knowing that you would do it behind my back instead of to my face. Nice!

Joel

[Kaj]

Originally posted by Rags:
Fair enough. I was very riled up when I posted. If you have been following these forums as long as you are suggesting you have, you would know that I was actually being very cotton-like in my postings. I usually don't restrain from using more descriptive language when describing someone I am peeved at. Ask anyone, they will tell you I can be rather straight forward when it comes to posting.

Rags

And that's what I like in someone who knows where he/she stands for.
I don't remember when I first came across MURC, I registered because of the "hacking-debacle" which occurred a few months ago, and I felt the need to clear our boards name, since the "hacker", as he likes to call himself, was a regular from our board.

But let's put this aside...