Holly back as Mod for TSB; please sign this petition!!!

[Helevitia]

Paul,

look up at Joel's last post. PUI=Posting under the influence

Dave

[Vlip]

Ok boys, I have been around those forums since my millennium 1. In the good old day were flangor axe was flying in the air.
That's to make my legitimation to speak in this thread even if I didn't post a lot.

I do remember the first days of Holly as a mod. It was, as some said, quite exagerated also. But what she achieved was to learn how to get us in line, I do believe Joel will get it sooner or later.

It really is like when a new Sergeant-Major enters in your unit, the first few months the beds are flying because the room aren't clean enough, guys are going to jail for stupidities and so on. After a few months everything settles up and the Sergeant Major is tired of being a bitch [Joel, do not think I'm telling you are a bitch!!!].

So please let it down, wait a month or two and then if you're not happy complain again.
Now you are only fedding up this poor Joel, and even in this case fedding me up.
So please shut up!

And for Holly being again a mod, that's the least I could hope for her, I miss her, not as a mod, but simply as a poster. I hope you Jord are taking good care of her

So Joel, my advices are the same as most you already got, edit posts instead of locking thread and so on... But what could make the difference would maybe be a little bit of humour when you edit/lock something, sometimes it makes the pill easyer to swallow.
Good luck in your difficult duty.


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[Kaj]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough

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Well there we have it. I think this whole thing started because of a misunderstanding on your part of something I wrote. And instead of asking me what I meant, you immediately called for my resignation. Am I not right?

Joel

Well, I tend to think that my messages where _clear_ enough, and it looks like twisting words here; so I'm NOT touching this one.
If you still don't know what I meant, I'd suggest you read the thread again.

I surely did (after a good night sleep), and since there was a call for advise (a rather loud one, I might add ), I'll give you one: Don't team up with someone! You've got a Mod-tag hangin' to your name, and that gives you responsibilities. The moment that you as Joel:Moderator teamed up with Rags, the moderator of The Soap Box was no longer available, and nowhere to be seen.
That's why I have two nicknames on the board I'm Admin of; one "Admin-nick" and one as a "normal" user, en I think that's why Holly has two nicks as well.
And I suggest, if you want to keep ventilating your own opinion, that you get one too.
Regards, Kaj.

[Note: this was intended as an email towards Joel, but later on, I thought that it was better to post it here.]

[Joel]

Kaj,

First off misunderstanding in a forum can happen very easily because there is so much more to communications that just the printed word. There is tone and infliction in our voices, body language, general knowledge of who the speaker is and other things.

Secondly, I did not team up with Rags. He has his own opinions and I have mine. Unfortunately both of those opinions did not agree with yours so therefore it seemed as if we were teaming up.

Thridly, I don't believe in having a second nic just because I am a mod. Kruzin doesn't do it, Ant doesn't do it, and as far as I know none of the others do it either. Holly can even tell you that I don't like that idea. I am who I am and even though I am a moderator I still am entitled to my own opinion. The task that I have before me is to not allow my emtion to determine my actions as moderator. I'm sure I will make mistake but that will be part of the learning process. As a former boss once told me "we don't make mistake we create learning opportunities".

And fourthly, man this is taking up more of my spare time than I thought it would. But I'm sure that will settle out just like everything else will with time.

Joel

[Helevitia]

Kaj,

The more I read your threads, the more irritated I get. Basically I think your a whiny little idiot and you continue to make uncalled for comments towards Joel. I don't care how long you've been coming around the forums, I surely have never seen you post anything of importance and you continue to make assumptions that make you look even more stupid. Why don't you drop this whole BS and let Joel do his job. God! Talk about draggin this thing out. You'd think he shot someone. Hell! This is probably the best forum on the net and when somebody actually wants to keep it at a level where kids can join and and participate on a semi-intelligent level, people bitch about that too! So which is it? I personally think that these public attacks are crap and Kaj should have emailed Joel privately and gave him his constuctive opinion that way or at the very least, realize that Joel has been around and well respected enough that if you do post something here then it holds that same respect. AARRRGGGHHHH!!! ahh, I feel better already

Dave

[Kaj]

I seem to send a lot of e-mails these days...

Can we end this nonsense? Is it pick-on-the-blasted-mini-time again? Or is it just me...

The start of this thread was a bit of a wake-up call, which escalated beyond proprotions. If you want to keep roasting me on Joel's BBQ, fine. But let's keep it out of TSB.

[Kaj]

Hey, you know what? I'm gonna do what I've been doing the last few months around here: Lurk the MURC. And gee, maybe I'll post something supportive...
But I'm REALLY getting sick of this.

[Rags]

Best thing I have heard yet

[Paddy]

I have been visiting these forums for about 12mths now (not that you could tell by the quality of my posts!) So just imagine my shock when I come back from a weekend break to find that a small-scale war has broken out.
Now I too have been asked to comment on this issue, but given the last few posts perhaps I am too late…

I can’t really see what the fuss is all about. As far as I can tell Holly has left the Soap Box because she doesn’t feel that she can commit enough of her time to moderate it. And lets be honest, we are a full time job!

I know a lot of people want Holly back (and most haven’t consulted her about it) but the fact is – she has gone.

I am not saying that I don’t want her to come back – in fact nothing brightened up my Monday mornings more than reading about her dodging the weekends flak. But its time to move on. And come on, its not like loosing a family member, those of you who feel that they can’t cope, probable spend too much time on the net.

Joel is now in charge, and I can think of nobody more qualified. Has anyone stopped to think about how much we are probably hurting his feelings? This can’t be nice…

Holly: If you want to come back I am not going to object!

Joel: As far as I am concerned you now hold the reins and I am behind you all the way!

Kaj: A lot of people thin that you are hardly qualified to comment on this and from reading your posts they do seem aggressive. Your number of posts has nothing to do with this, but perhaps your time on the forums have. Perhaps its time to keep quiet for a bit?

Remember: this is a Matrox forum, and it’s a family forum. At the end of the day, does this really matter? Lets all try and behave!

- Sorry if that wasn’t the comment you wanted!

Patrick

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[HedsSpaz]

I have been visiting these forums for about 12mths now (not that you could tell by the quality of my posts!) So just imagine my shock when I come back from a weekend break to find that a small-scale war has broken out.

LOL, that mirrors my experience almost exactly Patrick.

Now seriously everyone, it looks like this is starting to wind down, which is a good thing. In hopes to aide this proccess, I'm going to suggest that no one post any more inflamatory/argumentative/or otherwise dissentive comments in this thread. It's time to relax and let things return to a state of simulated normality.

A brief comment though, I too remember the creation of the TSB, and I remember the rocky start Holly had. It happens, people continually go through a process of maturation. Everyday we learn something new, and learn just a little bit better how to behave and how to get along with other people, and we make mistakes. Thats part of life. Let it pass, and in the future, try and remember that being calm and rational will win out over brash emotion.

Ian
Who has noticed that everytime he leaves for the weekend, all hell breaks loose on the fori(last time I left for the weekend, we had that hacker incident).

P.S. I'm going to be out of town again this weekend, I'd rather not come back to see WWIII got started here.

[Ant]

I don't know I get laid up with an injured back and taken away by work committments, come back here and just look at you all. I seem to remember Holly getting quite a bit of stick when she first took over as a moderator, as did Kruzin, as did Jorden so I assume its just a murc tradition. Holly did a great job and I'm so grateful for all of her hard work, however for her own reasons she decided it was time to step down. I asked Joel to help me and and he accepted, he's now the moderator, instead of attacking just try to work work things out like the happy bunch of murcers we all are usually.

The idea of the soap box was that it would house the off topic chat that tended to clog up other forums, it is not and never was meant to be a place for people to spout forth any form of abuse or vent their anger. Sure have fun thats is what the murc is all about. Now all of you get along before I rip your frelling heads off

[Pace]

And another guy who's been away for a few days. I'll start off with 2 bad points for Joel.

First, I agree with one part of Kaj's original post: "a bit too seriously"
My view on this was that since he became a mod he has imposed himself a little too much.

Which makes up part of my 2nd point is that he has started bad.

However, I think he will be ok in the long run! He's willing to learn and change his influence I think which should help a lot. He's took a lot of flak - too much I think but I believe he's open to suggestions (correct me if I'm wrong).

And finally, nothing particularly to do with Joel but I was looking for a clarification of what is allowable in TSB - both Ant/Joel are requested for comments here but also what other's would like.

My personal opinion is similar to Joel's I think: no racism or extreme illegal activities. I don't really mind racism personally even though I wouldn't use it (if that's the term). However, I hate torturing, suffering or death - child porn, sick pictures et al I wouldn't like here.

I think racist comments do hurt people but I don't think they should. If someone calls me a tight Scot I get annoyed - but not hurt. A comment about another race/religion etc shouldn't really hurt anyone - just ignore it I say. However I accept that this is a touchy subject and that others would not like it here.

The final consideration is children. The world is getting pretty messed up (no expletive here!) and I think we really should increase censorship efforts. Violence is getting worse, people are less friendly, poverty no closer to being fixed, drugs, guns...

Maybe too many topics for this thread - say Joel - wan't to separate out my topics

Hehe, just kidding, Paul!

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[Rags]

What's a "frelling"???

[Joel]

I think there are alot of ppl here who will agree, that there comes a point in time when we just have to except things the way they are and move on. This petition as such is one of those things. This arguement over Holly coming back as Mod was settled when she stated...

I'm glad that you appreciated my tenure, but IT IS OVER. And I love you guys, but I do not like being told what I am to do when I have other ideas.

In so saying, I feel that this thread is doing nothing at this time except to get ppl worked up over something that will not happen. So therefore at this time I am putting the lock on this thread.

As for me, I am open to constructive comments or suggestions which can be posted in the following thread. forums.murc.ws/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000853.html I will be reading that thread and taking everything into consideration as I continue as Moderator of this forum.

In closing I would like to offer this little bit of advice. "Never under any circumstances take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night."


Joel