Bush Jr.'s next move?

[Joel]

Sounds like to me DentyCracker that you have a big chip on your shoulder and just because something is done to you by a white it has to be a racial thing. I can think of many times when I have also felt that I was being unfairly treated because I was white. Almost everyday I will encounter at least one black who will carry on about how whites have what they have because they are white. Not that we worked hard for what we have and have earned it. I have also had blacks tell me that because I am a white male that I am a racist and there is nothing I can do to change that. I don't think that is being too fair, do you? I have also had black cops to pull me over and then start carry on about how us rich white boys think we can get away with everything. If whites have an organization for whites then it is labeled a racist organization while blacks call their black only organizations a cultural thing. Blacks even have their own TV network, BET, which shows very few if any 'white' shows but yet the regular networks catch hell because they don't show enough 'black' shows. There is also a new FBI study that reveals that blacks are proportionally one-and-a-half times more likely to be arrested for hate crimes against whites than vice versa. I know I have not gotten a job before, not because I wasn't qualified I was and they even told me that, but because the company that interviewed me had a black ratio quota that they had to meet and they had to hire a black instead even though they were not as qualified. IMO things like affirmative action does nothing but cause resentment toward blacks. I could go on but I think you get the point, that racism is not just a white on black thing.

Joel

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[Pace]

Paul: One was in NYC, and the other was either SF or LA (probably LA coz SF is so nice ). And I think I've exaggerated - he didn't actually see the blood spilled, just the police surrounding it. This could be coincidence, but I feel (personally of course!), that the US is less safe than here (although the UK is catching up fast), and that Oz seems like a very nice place There have been a couple of stabbings in my town (Falkirk, with it's large surroundings has pop ~40,000) that I can recall, and one of those I pass the place a few times a week.

How do you's feel about violence in your country? The US receives major publicity because of the shootings and gun laws, but the UK is a fairly major terrorist target and has had a few large 'gun' incidents (notably the Dunblane shooting - did you's hear about that?).

Denty: You'll probably be the best judge of anti-black opinions - and you obviously feel hard done to, and are probably unsure if whites would treat you the same as others. In Scotland there are very few blacks as such, though there are large numbers of Asians/Orientals. Besides the fact I don't know whether to call them by their first name or surname (Ayoub ), I treat them all fairly, and as friends. I know a girl from Hong Kong from school and still speak on the train. Yet I still feel unsafest when I am walking through a largely Pakistani area in Glasgow, and a nearby park. Maybe it's because I am indeed racist, or maybe it's because I feel that they may treat me the same way as they have been treated in the past (which I suppose, is still a race-related issue).

The only time I have ever been attacked personally on an issue like this, was while on a school trip. I was at a Catholic school (the UK divides schools into 2 regions: Catholic and non-Catholic) and ventured into a Protestant area (again in Glasgow). Several males a few years older than us decided it would be fun to smack a football of the side of our bus. Now, while I knew that Rangers fans didn't like Celtic fans, at this time I couldn't understand why they would attack us on this issue solely (whether it was anti-Celtic feelings or anti-Catholic is irrelevant).

Joel: That's my point exactly! The fact that people go over the top with anti-racist policies. We've had a few large race related police cases (most recently Damilola Taylor) where a young coloured boy was killed, but there is probably more fatalities due to rival football supporters.

And finally, with the Internet breaking down so many barriers, how long do you think before we can all sit down at the table and see 6 billion fellow humans. Not coloureds and whites. Not men and women. Not gentiles and Jews etc. Why are so many kids taught to hate and kill their fellow men, well before they can read and write?

Paul.

[KvHagedorn]

I think Denty's right. If it makes you more comfortable, stay where you are. These problems with racism would be much less pronounced if people would just stop immigrating to countries which are foreign to them. People are naturally happier when these stupid culture clashes do not continually litter up their day until they become paranoid nutcases. I have seen too much of this in the US, particularly among blacks. The media and black organizations blow up every incident until they make almost every young black person paranoid and likely to lash out at any perceived disrespect. I very much understand this, and if I had been that cashier, thoughts of bloody murder would have rushed over me with regards to that Asian couple. I worked in a community where there were a lot of Koreans and they were the rudest people I've ever known. It's a wonder more of them aren't victims of violence. They should never have left Korea. And what the hell is a large community of Pakistanis doing in Scotland, after all? It's not their country! These people immigrate to the US and Europe because money is more important to them than their families and their culture. They don't want to give up their culture once they arrive in the other people's country though. They want to destroy the culture of their new home by insinuating their own there. This is not immigration, it is invasion.. and the brain dead, gutless, nutless wonders who allow this "immigration" are traitors every bit as much as Quisling was. End of rant. Flame away.

[Pace]

Oh dear - "Flame away" would appear to be the most politically correct statement

What I was looking towards was the total integration of society! Where we all see each other as individuals, and no grouping or categorisation...

Admittedly some races will take their customs and traditions wherever they go - but I'll always like HP Sauce, pancakes and maple syrup and a 'chipie' So, should I stay in Scotland? And import some fine Canadian maple syrup? Should we stop buying foreign goods and stick to our own?

If we do that then I cannot see any hope for the human race...

Paul.

[dZeus]

over here they put mayonaise on chips!!!!

[Liquid Snake]

I usually stay out of these political threads, but it happens that my father today said the same thing as KvH. He said that if people are going to come here to America, they should try to fit in, instead of trying to force their own culture here. Else, they should not be here at all.

[paulcs]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dZeus:
over here they put mayonaise on chips!!!! </font>

Now, that's just disgusting.

This is why multiculturalism is important. Leave white to their own devices for too long, and they start putting mayonaise on everything.

Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net


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[Wombat]

Over there, dZeus calls french fries chips!

And I know a couple people from the south that mix mayo and ketchup and put it on french fries.

[GinoCyber]

If people would just stop bringing religion into everything, the world would be a better place. Religion is the root of all evil and will continue to be the root of all wars, racism, etc.

In fact, this whole mess will never be resolved until the middle east gets nuked as there will be allways a feel for revenge generation after generation.

Denty - I have been to Bahamas and Jamaica a few times. I can say without a doubt that there is a huge difference between the North American black people and the Islanders. The islanders are extremely friendly people and I never got my paranoia feeling whenever I went out to a club at night. When I first went to downtown Nassau at night, I was a bit scared and I was looking over my shoulder. But after talking to some of the people in the clubs thru out the night, sharing cabs with the natives, I felt at ease and got rid of my paranoia. However, I would never goto a club in a black neighbourhood anywhere in North America. Would you think there is a difference between a black born in NA and a black born on the islands with respect to their way of perceiving the world? I only ask because no matter how many times I go back there, I do not see a change in how the islanders are and the islanders who migrated to NA are exactly the same while the blacks born here are not like the islanders at all.

Ciao

[Bixler]

From Gino:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">However, I would never go to a club in a black neighbourhood anywhere in North America.</font>

Come on down to the Mississippi Delta, and I'll make arrangements. Although I do not do this on a regular basis,(I am white) it is no problem whatsoever to walk into any black blues bar or drive down any street that I wish. Don't misunderstand..this doesn't happen often...but it is no problem if you care to. As a general rule, we exist in our domains, mix where necessary without trouble, and leave each other alone to pursue our priorities.

Denty: There is one man in the U.S. who could announce himself as a presidential candidate at any time he chose and would immediately be CROWNED and placed in the White House by almost unanimous acclamation. This man is a black man of Jamaican descent. He currently serves as our Secretary of State and enjoys higher approval numbers than our sitting president.

This crap is not a racial thing...it is about values...the cultural values that one chooses to espouse. Those people (of any color or origin) who inculcate our values and give honor to our heritage and "play by the rules" will be embraced and honored.

America is the ONLY melting pot. Find any other country on the face of the earth with our ethnic diversity and tolerance, and I'll kiss your ***. It is only because we supress NO voice of dissent, (and there are many too timid to challenge the voice of agitators) that the perception exists that we are opressors of minorities.

NOT TRUE.

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[GinoCyber]

Hehe, maybe that came out wrong. Why do I have this feeling? Probably because of what I see in the news. I've personally never witnessed any serious crime other than a bar fight but from what I see in the news, I wouldn't want to take the chance.

Ciao

[DentyCracker]

The ONLY personal experience of racism that I've had occurred in July 1992 at LaRonde Amusement Park in Montreal. It consisted of a young white man calling me nigger and spitting on me. Now I never for an instant thought that such action would send me into a blinding rage but it did. I had to be restrained from going after him. I do not have a chip on my shoulder about race. I have several uncles aunts and cousins living in the US and I agree with Gino, black Americans tend to have a slightly different way of thinking than us Islanders. We were never in a system (since Independence at least) where we were the minority, and were thought of as inferior. (Admittedly this is changing in the states) Do not try to tell me the playing field is completely level though for it is not. The affirmative action thing should never had to have been thought about, if there wasn't inequality in the first place. To me it is like two wrongs trying to make right. I do believe though that there would have been many blacks who would never havwe got a fair chance without it though. I tend to agree with KV. I know I would have potential problems with life in America so I choose to not live there. If I really wanted to live in the US I would not have too many problems going there. All I would need to do is to take the USMLE exams and apply to work in a Hospital there providing my scores were good enough, which I am totally confident they would be. I hope I never have to take up that option though, because that would mean that things have got so bad out here that I would consider living somewhere where it even occasionally goes well below 20° C
I hope this clears up some stuff Joel and others.
Colin Powell was strongly cautioned by his relatives in Jamaica not to run for the Presidency as they feared for his life. Yes Joel, I believe that there are black racists.
Damn what a long post. Time to go to sleep now.

[ALBPM]

CEASE FIRE!! and "PEACE" Everyone



It's time to rally around the old MURC Flag and count our blessings.

We can debate and argue about the few ignorant idiots that don't and never will have any understanding about the values of "Diversity".

They are everywhere in every country and thank the Gods that they are the true minority. There will always be those few that can't look past the color of a person's skin, national origin or religion. All I can do is feel pity on them because they are the real loosers in this world.

They are the ones who will not learn or try something new and different. They will never be happy or grow stronger and wiser from the new experiences and knowlege from other cultures.

I value the Diversity that we have at MURC and am a stronger, wiser and happier person because of it

Paul

[paulcs]

Hurray! I'm with Paul. Let's all rally around that international flag and talk about something most of us can agree upon: GIRLS!

I'd like to open the discussion with Jessica Alba.



Paul
paulcs@flashcom.net

[dZeus]

Wombat and Paulcs: you should see the faces of people here when I put vinegar on chips (btw. they only have french fries in McDonnald's here, and all other chips are between belgium fries and french fries (but not hand-cut as what you get most in England). And they absolutely never have heard of fish and chips.. bummer, cause I really like it